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Gun Control and the Illusion of Security

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 04:54 pm
@oralloy,
A fifty cal is a little overkill on any game animal in North American to say the least.

Still large range target shooting I can see.
vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 05:55 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
A fifty cal sniper rifle is a work of art able to hit targets at well over a mile and anyone into long range rifle shooting would likely love to own one.
And a weapon being a work of art I can understand. The same attraction goes for lots of older weapons too : swords, knives etc. I'd certainly like to own one of the old muskets as a collectable.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 06:02 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
A fifty cal is a little overkill on any game animal in North American to say the least.

Still large range target shooting I can see.


Elk and moose hunters use them for long range shots in areas with lots of wind gusts.

Also, Native American tribes that engage in whaling have one mounted in the bow of their boat to kill the whales with.
Atom Blitzer
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 06:21 pm
@oralloy,
Do you tea bag the animals that you killed to rub it in and show who's boss?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 07:29 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Elk and moose hunters use them for long range shots in areas with lots of wind gusts.
any moose hunter who needs a 50 cal to make a "Long range shot" should have his license revoked. A safe hunter is not one who shoots over long distances unless they have an assured background and moose and elk are mostly forest and savannah game where you can always have other hunters behind them and in your LOF

Quote:


Also, Native American tribes that engage in whaling have one



mounted in the bow of their boat to kill the whales with
Hows all that whaling going for you. Are you a licensed subsistance/aboriginal hunter?
roger
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 07:47 pm
At least one western state has banned the Browning .50. Too many people were taking cross canyon shots, and not being able to get to whatever they had shot.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 08:30 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
I would have thought that the Colorado massacre
would have shown the obvious benefits of gun control - if guns were registered - the govt
would have known the nutcase was stockpiling them....
The obvious question is:
HOW can u convince a mass murderer
to obay gun control laws ?????





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 08:34 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
At least one western state has banned the Browning .50.
Too many people were taking cross canyon shots,
and not being able to get to whatever they had shot.
Point of information, if I may:

How many murders have been comitted with .5O caliber weapons?????
vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 08:53 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
In a porous system, with too many firearms already in circulation - it's not possible to prevent a mentally ill person from obtaining a firearm...but it is harder. Say Colorado was indeed a nutbag, with no prior criminal history...so criminal connections probably isn't his thing for obtaining guns - he otherwise goes on the internet (which would trigger the same control regulation, if it was done properly) or attempt to do it the legal way.

One the issues the US faces (if it were to consider uniform federal level gun control laws) is the lapse time it would take for them to become effective, which may be several years to a decade. It would also need to sort out how to prevent illicit importation.

roger
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 09:01 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Damn, David! You got any idea what one of them suckers costs? At a guess, I would say none.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 09:06 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Elk and moose hunters use them for long range shots in areas with lots of wind gusts.


any moose hunter who needs a 50 cal to make a "Long range shot" should have his license revoked. A safe hunter is not one who shoots over long distances unless they have an assured background and moose and elk are mostly forest and savannah game where you can always have other hunters behind them and in your LOF


More than a million results on Google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=elk%20%2250%20bmg%22&num=100&safe=off&prmd=imvns&filter=0



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The days when 300 yards was considered extremely long range are over. Now, thanks to better rifles, scopes, rangefinders, and bullets, 500 yards is more like it. But there is a small subculture of shooters to whom 500 yards is a piddling distance scarcely worth a round of ammunition. These are the people who have harnessed the power of the immense .50 Browning Machine Gun cartridge and transformed it into an instrument capable of shooting with eerie precision at distances that are usually associated with track meets rather than riflery.

John Yenason and Wendy Henry belong to the fraternity of .50 BMG shooters, where everything is oversize, hyper-powered, and far, far away. Yenason is a wiry, dark-haired heavy-equipment contractor who took up the .50 in 1992. He shoots one in benchrest matches at 1,000 yards and hunts with it, too. Wendy Henry, his fiancée, is a tall, willowy woman who walks with the toes-out waddle of the ballerina she has been all her life. With no prior shooting experience, she took up the .50 in 1998. She competes and hunts alongside John. I had a chance to visit and shoot with them at their home in rural Pennsylvania, and they took me on a tour of their arcane world, where glory lies way out yonder.

. . . .

There can be mishaps as well. Some years ago, John was hunting elk on a day when the thermometer registered 10 below zero. This was a cows-only hunt, and he found a monster lady elk at over 1,000 yards. But he had to shoot that same LAR Grizzly from an unsteady rest, and the scope whacked him so hard that his right eyebrow fell down over his eye. The shot missed, and so he held his detached eyebrow in place with his hand and got back on the gun. Once again the shot missed, and the scope smote him in precisely the same place. To make matters worse, the elk moved, and John had to wait, his cheek on the steel stock, forehead gushing, until he got a third shot. This one was good, but by now his cheek had frozen to the rifle. You can still see the stain on the steel where he had to tear himself away.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/guns/rifles/ammunition/2007/01/way-out-there-shooting-and-hunting-50-caliber-browning
http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/guns/rifles/ammunition/2007/01/way-out-there-shooting-and-hunting-50-caliber-browning?photo=1
http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/guns/rifles/ammunition/2007/01/way-out-there-shooting-and-hunting-50-caliber-browning?photo=2
http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/guns/rifles/ammunition/2007/01/way-out-there-shooting-and-hunting-50-caliber-browning?photo=3
http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/guns/rifles/ammunition/2007/01/way-out-there-shooting-and-hunting-50-caliber-browning?photo=4





farmerman wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Also, Native American tribes that engage in whaling have one mounted in the bow of their boat to kill the whales with.


Hows all that whaling going for you. Are you a licensed subsistance/aboriginal hunter?


For me????

No I'm not.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 10:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
By denying him the right to own a semiautomatic rifle with 3, 30 shot magazines.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 11:12 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
The obvious question is:
HOW can u convince a mass murderer
to obay gun control laws ?????


By denying him the right to own a semiautomatic rifle with 3, 30 shot magazines.


I doubt that will have the effect of making criminals follow the law.

Regardless, you don't get to deny Americans their rights.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 11:16 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
Damn, David! You got any idea what one of them suckers costs?
At a guess, I would say none.
R U accusing the multiple murderers
of being stingy, skinflint, cheapskates ???????????? Is that PC ????
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2012 11:20 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
By denying him the right to own a semiautomatic rifle with 3, 30 shot magazines.
IF he makes his own, following the guidance of the Paladin Press,
then I guess his right to own one will remain intact. Right, Rabel ?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 12:25 am
@vikorr,
Quote:
One the issues the US faces (if it were to consider uniform federal level gun control laws) is the lapse time it would take for them to become effective, which may be several years to a decade. It would also need to sort out how to prevent illicit importation.


Severn years to a decade? with 300 millions firearms floating around and the ability of even home machine shops to turn out more.

An of course the federal government had been able to keep thousands of tons of drugs and tens of thousands of humans from crossing the border every years illegally so why should they not be able to control guns imports!!!!!!!!

Sorry try a hundred years maybe.............
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 12:27 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
R U accusing the multiple murderers
of being stingy, skinflint, cheapskates ???????????? Is that PC ????


The last I hear David the damn things cost around 10thousand dollars.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 12:30 am
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
R U accusing the multiple murderers
of being stingy, skinflint, cheapskates ???????????? Is that PC ????
BillRM wrote:
The last I hear David the damn things cost around 10 thousand dollars.
U think u cud make one cheaper ??
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 12:33 am

I am reminded of "bathtub gin" in the 1920s.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2012 12:42 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David as the 50 cal round give the ability of great range, however to achieved accuracy to make that range meaningfull, the gun need to be a work of art with everything machine to very high precision. That cost $$$$$$$$

To just throw together a tube that is just able to fire the round off with out bursting is kind silly as what the point to that?
 

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