Romney 2012?

Clearly, the entire 47% are not moochers and I guarantee you that Romney realizes this. He was looking to pry money out of people who want to hear issues framed in such a broad manner. It certainly is not one of his shining moments, but that's politics.

The reality is that despite all of the caterwauling of the Liberal media, his comments resonated with a whole lot of Middle Class Americans who do pay taxes, don't begrudge taking care of the truly needy, but who do perceive that a whole lot of the people who are taking government handouts don't need to.

Unfortunately Romney is by his campaign strategy from saying what large masses of Americans know: No matter how bad the economy is, a large segment of the government's dependents don't need to be.

They know that being "poor" in America is being pretty well off in the rest of the world, and that virtually all of these programs kick in for people who are 100% or more above the poverty line.

What he needs to focus on is that the fact that Democrats are like street pushers, they want citizens who are increasingly dependent upon the government, all the goodies they offer have to be paid for, and independent citizens don't have enough wealth to pay for them, even if the government took all they have.

The nonsense of Liberals is that there is a balance that can be struck between the government giving people all these goodies and "rich" people making enough to give up most of what they earn to finance them, and still being motivated to work for their money.

Liberals will always take great umbrage at any suggestion that this course is taking us to a socialist state.

" You don't know what Socialism is!" They declare.

Perhaps not, and perhaps "socialist" is not, technically, the correct term, but whatever it may be, it spells very big trouble for America.

The dynamics, no matter what they are called, hold true:

Make it easy and socially acceptable to be on the dole, and more and more people will be. The more people who are on the dole, the more money is needed from those who are not. Eventually those who are asked to pay,and who are the cutting edge of the equation will throw up their hands and join the dependents. Slowly but surely the left side of the equation eats up the right and as it does, the goodies that have been promised diminish.

China is not going to fund the American welfare state in perpetuity, and when we fail all the ones that seem to work will crumble.

The Left that welcomes the decline of America as a superpower, apparently doesn't realize that they are welcoming the breakdown of the engine of their desires.

Perhaps the Left's notion of Nirvana will be achieved for one minute before it is pulled down into the ashes of the fire they've fanned.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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The reality is that despite all of the caterwauling of the Liberal media, his comments resonated with a whole lot of Middle Class Americans who do pay taxes, don't begrudge taking care of the truly needy, but who do perceive that a whole lot of the people who are taking government handouts don't need to.

Evidence? None.

I think the group who this message 'resonates with' are the very same fat assholes Romney was hitting up for money. Not the middle class.

Cycloptichorn

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Clearly, the entire 47% are not moochers and I guarantee you that Romney realizes this. He was looking to pry money out of people who want to hear issues framed in such a broad manner. It certainly is not one of his shining moments, but that's politics.

In other words, Romney will pander to any crowd if he thinks it will net him a couple of votes down the road.

Your assessment pretty much dovetails with mine.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Clearly, the entire 47% are not moochers and I guarantee you that Romney realizes this. He was looking to pry money out of people who want to hear issues framed in such a broad manner. It certainly is not one of his shining moments, but that's politics.

So when Romney is cosying up to his billionaire buddies and talking in confidence, that's when he's playing politics, and when he's on record that's pure scripted truth?

He's quite a remarkable man.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The reality is that despite all of the caterwauling of the Liberal media, his comments resonated with a whole lot of Middle Class Americans who do pay taxes, don't begrudge taking care of the truly needy, but who do perceive that a whole lot of the people who are taking government handouts don't need to.

It resonated in the Republican echo chamber, sure, but it sure didn't score him any points elsewhere.

My MIL is planning to vote Romney. Initially, she was excited, but she's getting slower about defending him, and now she's starting to look embarrassed. Two months ago, she said there was no question that Romney was the right choice. Today, she said that there aren't any good choices.

"Anybody but Obama" worked with a certain segment of the population, but nobody I know, personally, is actually excited about voting for Romney.

I wonder how my MIL will be feeling in November, especially when she's alone in that voting booth?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The dynamics, no matter what they are called, hold true:

Make it easy and socially acceptable to be on the dole, and more and more people will be. The more people who are on the dole, the more money is needed from those who are not. Eventually those who are asked to pay,and who are the cutting edge of the equation will throw up their hands and join the dependents. Slowly but surely the left side of the equation eats up the right and as it does, the goodies that have been promised diminish.

Nobody, and I mean nobody I know actually thinks this way. This is some kind of right-wing, paranoid caricature/fantasy. Reasonable people know it's idiocy, and I can only hope that Romney says something like this during the debate.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The dynamics, no matter what they are called, hold true:

Make it easy and socially acceptable to be on the dole, and more and more people will be. The more people who are on the dole, the more money is needed from those who are not. Eventually those who are asked to pay,and who are the cutting edge of the equation will throw up their hands and join the dependents. Slowly but surely the left side of the equation eats up the right and as it does, the goodies that have been promised diminish.

Nobody, and I mean nobody I know actually thinks this way. This is some kind of right-wing, paranoid caricature/fantasy. Reasonable people know it's idiocy, and I can only hope that Romney says something like this during the debate.

It is helpful though in understanding Finn to know that he really believes this way.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

I wonder how my MIL will be feeling in November, especially when she's alone in that voting booth?

If she gets there in the first place... busy day, long lines, meh candidate, might not even go. (That's speaking more about people in her general category than her specifically, maybe there's a local issue she feels strongly about for example.)

That's where the enthusiasm gap matters, though. (Dems are getting more enthusiastic about their candidate while Republicans are getting less enthusiastic about theirs.)

A friend of mine is a radio producer and said today that it's become harder to book a Republican pundit who has unqualified support for Romney than one who wants to tear him down.

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@Cycloptichorn,

No surprise here Cyclo. Even your one huge eye is blind to what is going on in America. Could it be because you live in a left-wing enclave in California?

I know you know I'm right.

(See mind-reading knows no partisan limitations)

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@Finn dAbuzz,

and you think your texas sized bird's eye view is more accurate, right finny...

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@snood,

Well yes, snood. It probably is helpful, albeit clear, to know that I believe what I post, and your stating the obvious implies that you are quite familiar with posting bullshit.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

No surprise here Cyclo. Even your one huge eye is blind to what is going on in America. Could it be because you live in a left-wing enclave in California?

You think you know more about the middle-class than I do? Laughing

Which one of us, in terms of incomes, do you think would be more properly described as 'middle class?'

Re: California, well. I can only reflect on my formative years in Texas.

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I know you know I'm right.

Actually, you don't.

You're not very good at faking the tactics of those you oppose.

Cycloptichorn

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@snood,

The irony of it all is that many conservatives belong in that 47%, and they don't understand that the "dole" are what they live on in retirement by getting social security and Medicare. They even don't understand that the "dole" is what disabled vets and retired military get after serving 20+ years.

Pretty stupid people, them conservatives.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Yes I do, and you know I'm right.

Right now, I've no doubt that you are more properly labelled "middle-class" than am I. This admission signifies nothing, other than perhaps your lack of ambition, as I spent many a year in the Middle Class, the Lower Middle Class and even the Lower Class (When you and your wife have to eat macaroni & cheese for dinner every night and turn your couch pillows over for change to buy gas, you qualify for the designation Lower Class).

Of course when I was below the poverty line, I didn't ask anyone for a dime. Not my parents, not my in-laws, not the government. I didn't ask for anyone's hand out because:

A) I had pride
B) I had confidence in myself
C) The American Dream was a given.

All of these are, sadly, missing in a large segment of our current population, with #'s 1 and 2 leading to #3.

Thos who are content with depending upon the goverment to pay for their habitation, their food, their cigarettes, their cablevision, their plazma TVs, their cell-phones and their nail jobs, probably don't think much about personal pride or confidence until they get 8 rather than 9 McNuggets from McDonalds, and then, God Damn It!, hell will pay and 911 will be called.

You, no doubt, are happy in your lot in life, which would be grand if you weren't so envious of those whose lot's were grander.

No Cyclo, I do know that you know I'm right.

Again, you're not the only mind-reader in this forum.

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@cicerone imposter,

Is anyone other than you not stupid?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Thos who are content with depending upon the goverment to pay for their habitation, their food, their cigarettes, their cablevision, their plazma TVs, their cell-phones and their nail jobs, probably don't think much about personal pride or confidence until they get 8 rather than 9 McNuggets from McDonalds, and then, God Damn It!, hell will pay and 911 will be called.

My god, you really do buy into the 'young bucks and their steaks bought with food stamps' meme, don't you? I'm surprised there wasn't a line in there about welfare queens popping out kids.

How many of these people do you actually know? My guess is, zero.

What you are describing is truly a tiny percentage of our population. Nowhere near the '47%' that Romney mentioned. Most of those who pay no federal taxes are hard-working poor folks with kids, students, and the elderly.

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You, no doubt, are happy in your lot in life, which would be grand if you weren't so envious of those whose lot's were grander.

This is a serious question: why would I be envious of anybody? I'm happy as hell, have a great life, have pretty much anything I want to have. Would having a 'grander lot' make me any happier? I doubt it. Sure seem to be a lot of unhappy rich folk out there - you, for example, sure are one sour asshole. Always complaining or bitching about something.

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Again, you're not the only mind-reader in this forum.

Oh, I know I'm not. But not because you are one of us. I think you have serious problems understanding other people, let alone their thoughts and motivations.

To get back on topic - bet'cher just loving Romney more by the minute, and getting more and more confident he's going to win!

Cycloptichorn

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@Finn dAbuzz,

It's actually not that obvious, Finn. An outsider reading over your rightwing- warped bloviated obfuscation might think you were weaving some elaborate joke, or just plain batshit crazy. I have to remind myself that there are actually people like you. Normal seeming otherwise, with heads and hearts filled to fucked-up uselessness with rightwing greed, misogyny, racism, elitism and just plain dickishness.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Not surprisingly, you resort to the race card with your "young buck" comment.

Anyone monitoring this forum would be hard pressed to conclude that that Cyclo was anything other than a sour asshole.

Which you are, and which you know I am right about this assessement of you.

I was among the poor, I don't need to know any of them personally now. If the fundamental being of the poor has changed in the last 40 years it is only because of the influence of The Left.

Romney is going to win and your reluctance to bet on the election comforts me.

That you won't tells us two possible things about Cyclo:

1) Despite his disregard for religion he is a superstitious fool.
2) He thinks that the power of Cyclo pronouncements will direct reality

Neither are flattering.

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