Romney 2012?

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Firstly, as there has not been a rule requiring ID to vote, there can be no FACTS that support whether there has been a limited amount of fraud or not. If a tree falls in the woods and there is no one there to hear it, does it make a noise? If a voter votes under someone else's name and no one checks their ID, has there been fraud?

There have been several studies done on this issue that weren't able to find documented cases of in-person voter fraud.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Firstly, as there has not been a rule requiring ID to vote, there can be no FACTS that support whether there has been a limited amount of fraud or not. If a tree falls in the woods and there is no one there to hear it, does it make a noise? If a voter votes under someone else's name and no one checks their ID, has there been fraud?

There have been several studies done on this issue that weren't able to find documented cases of in-person voter fraud.

Cycloptichorn

Have there been studies done that were able to find fraud?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Firstly, as there has not been a rule requiring ID to vote, there can be no FACTS that support whether there has been a limited amount of fraud or not. If a tree falls in the woods and there is no one there to hear it, does it make a noise? If a voter votes under someone else's name and no one checks their ID, has there been fraud?

There have been several studies done on this issue that weren't able to find documented cases of in-person voter fraud.

Cycloptichorn

Have there been studies done that were able to find fraud?

Two arguments about voter ID cards

Law supporters believe the voter ID requirements will prevent fraud at the polls. Opponents say the voter ID laws are unconstitutional because they are a version of the “poll tax” outlawed by the 24th amendment.

One argument over the voter ID issue is about “free” ID cards offered by states to voters who don’t have a driver’s license or a government-issued ID card.

Supporters of the voter ID laws say people seeking ID cards need to supply the kind of same proof they would need for other basic social functions, like attending a school or getting a job. They also say states offer free alternative ID cards, and voters have plenty of time to make arrangements to get the cards.

Opponents says states with voter ID laws require paid copies of birth certificates to obtain a “free” card, which is enough to keep lower-income voters away from the polls.

Another argument is over accessibility.

The Brennan Center says long travel distances to approved ID offices are barriers on many levels to people of color, senior citizens, and the disabled. It estimates 13 percent of voters in 10 “strict voter ID” states don’t have access to a motor vehicle and live more than 10 miles from an office that offers IDs.

The court case in Texas has been contentious, since its proposed voter ID laws are strict, and they must be approved by the federal government because the state is on a review list as part of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

For example, Texas won’t accept student IDs as proof at the polls, but it will accept gun permits.

Pennsylvania as a Supreme Court test case

Pennsylvania is a big test case for voter ID laws. It requires photo ID cards issued by the Commonwealth and it also accepts student IDs from accredited colleges.

But if a voter wants a free voter ID card, the state requires four documents submitted in person at a Department of Transportation office. The process gets more complicated for voters without a certified birth certificate. Voters don’t have to buy a birth certificate copy, but they have to provide the same information on a form, which is then investigated by the state within 10 days.

It is the problem of getting a timely birth certificate in Pennsylvania that is at the center of Viviette Applewhite’s case.

A state court will hear arguments from the administration of Governor Tom Corbett and the American Civil Liberties Union on July 25 in the Applewhite case.

The ACLU says Applewhite has tried three times to buy a copy of her birth certificate from the state. It never arrived before she joined the lawsuit in the case, even though Applewhite paid for the documents.

McGentrix wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Firstly, as there has not been a rule requiring ID to vote, there can be no FACTS that support whether there has been a limited amount of fraud or not. If a tree falls in the woods and there is no one there to hear it, does it make a noise? If a voter votes under someone else's name and no one checks their ID, has there been fraud?

There have been several studies done on this issue that weren't able to find documented cases of in-person voter fraud.

Cycloptichorn

Have there been studies done that were able to find fraud?

Asked and answered. The studies that have been done (one by the very people in PA who instigated the change in voter-ID law) all show a virtual (tenths of a percentage point per state over 10 years) absence of any cases of the kind of fraud that ID laws would prevent. It's a solution without a problem. Unless you count that the GOP sees high Dem voter turnout as a problem.

Then, we can be assured that there is no unknown voters in the system.

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Then, we can be assured that there is no unknown voters in the system.

We're already assured of that.
Cycloptichorn

Voter fraud of any nature is bad Cyc.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Then, we can be assured that there is no unknown voters in the system.

We're already assured of that.
Cycloptichorn

We are sure not already assured of that. Aren't you the one that always wants facts here Cyc?

Then, we can be assured that there is no unknown voters in the system.

McGentrix wrote:

Voter fraud of any nature is bad Cyc.

So, where is the attention paid to the FAR MORE DANGEROUS issue of voting machine fraud?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that, in cases where the stated motive of a group who is pursuing an action doesn't make any logical sense, the true motive behind an action is probably quite different. You may SAY - and GOP officials may say - that you are concerned about voting fraud. But your lack of attention to the real danger of fraud, combined with your prolonged attention to a trumped-up danger that just so happens to disproportionately effect your political opponents, gives the lie to that.

Occam's razor bro

Cycloptichorn

No idea. The media is run by the liberals, ask them.

No idea. The media is run by the liberals, ask them.