Romney 2012?

@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

If a voter votes under someone else's name and no one checks their ID, has there been fraud?

Around here, the answer seems to be "No".

@roger,

roger wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

If a voter votes under someone else's name and no one checks their ID, has there been fraud?

Around here, the answer seems to be "No".

This is inaccurate. The actual answer is, 'show us documented evidence that this is happening in any appreciable numbers.'

Cycloptichorn

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@roger,

roger wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

If a voter votes under someone else's name and no one checks their ID, has there been fraud?

Around here, the answer seems to be "No".

A better question would be, "is there a big enough problem to require changing how we validate voters at the polling place?"

That's the "no" answer that you're seeing.

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@DrewDad,

No, I know what question I answered.

Yours is a different question, and the answer isn't that clear, at least to me.

Thanks, though. I appreciate your comments, regardless of whether I happen to agree.

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@ehBeth,

Don't play coy. They don't own all the media. If it was as big a deal as Cyc makes it out to be, we'd know about it. Even here, when was the last thread about it? Not as hot a topic as made out to be.

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@Cycloptichorn,

As somebody already mentioned earlier, how does anybody go to a polling place, sign the register, than vote for somebody else? They'll know immediately if there is fraud for several reasons; a) signatures don't match, b) somebody already voted in that name, and/or c) they're not registered to vote.

With the conservatives move to suppress voters, they are actually destroying our democracy. Why are conservatives so popular in this country?

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@McGentrix,

Take a look at it. Who controls the most media in the U.S.? Follow the links.

I honestly don't think most Americans are aware of it and wouldn't care - because most Americans are right of center.

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The republican national convention is coming to Tampa! They’re currently blocking off parts of downtown St. Pete for the convention. Just in time for the storm!

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/article1246948.ece

Quote:

ST. PETERSBURG — More than 1,000 workers anxiously will await the last out in the Tampa Bay Rays game on Saturday afternoon.

Not because they're fans, but because they'll have only 20 hours to transform Tropicana Field into an elegant showcase gala fitting for the Republican National Convention's welcome party.

"This is one of the tightest turns of any event that has ever been done at this field," Tampa Bay Host Committee president Ken Jones said Tuesday. "I actually think its bigger than a Super Bowl halftime show. It's going to be phenomenal."

Riggers will build three stages. Technicians will hang will lights. Caterers will prepare thousands of meals with Tampa-centric foods. Sand, sun and saltwater themes will greet the 20,000 delegates, dignitaries and journalists who will attend the RNC kickoff party on Sunday.

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@McGentrix,

"Have there been studies done that were able to find fraud? "

most of the fraud cases involve absentee ballots.

BUT...

the republicans don't want to tighten that up, because the majority of absentee voters vote red.

go figure...

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@Rockhead,

Nothing to figure; they're destroying this country's democracy.

That there are so many conservatives who see all these bull **** and don't do anything are just as bad.

They've already sold their souls to the devil.

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@cicerone imposter,

I have an idea that should make you and others happy.
Lets just do away with all voter laws, and allow every person in the country, legal or not, citizen or not, to vote in any election they want to. That way nobody is being denied the right to vote at all.

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@mysteryman,

Who has suggested that MM?

A person signs an oath when they get a ballot. Are you saying you can't trust any voters in the country?

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@mysteryman,

mm, Are you that clueless? Who's talking about doing away with all voter laws?

If you have bothered to read what's been being discussed, it's about voter suppression when there is no need to have government issued voter ID's.

The voter laws are working just fine without the latest laws by the state's GOP legislators who are establishing laws where none is needed, and they admitted as much that they're doing so to discourage democrats from voting.

You were in the US military, and don't want democracy to work in this country?

That figures.

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@mysteryman,

I bet when you start losing the game you take your ball and go home, too.

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So, thus far the GOP-leaners who've commented seem not to read the papers and listen to the news, because they haven't seemed to hear about the proofs that there are no legitimate reasons for the new voter ID laws.

And either they didn't notice that I asked them what they think about the GOP trying to limit Dem turnout, or they can't think of a good answer.

I really want them to confront the elephant (pun intended) in the room ... if there is no legitimate reason for the big push for voter ID, the GOP is trying to cheat. I want to know if that's okay with them, as long as they get the desired result in November.

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@snood,

MysteryMan seems to be under the impression that questioning the need for more restrictions means we want to eliminate all restrictions.

Kinda silly.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

MysteryMan seems to be under the impression that questioning the need for more restrictions means we want to eliminate all restrictions.

Kinda silly.

Yeah. Too silly. Almost feels like defensiveness.

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@DrewDad,

You keep saying "right to vote".
Would you please show me where in the Constitution that is.

There is no right to vote mentioned anywhere in the constitution.
So, since there is no right to vote, the states have the power to regulate it in their state.
If that means showing identification to vote, so be it.

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@mysteryman,

I would suggest you read the 14th amendment.
If a state denies the right to vote then it gets its basis of representation reduced by the numbers that are denied the right to vote.

Then the 15 clearly states "the right to vote".

Then the 17th stipulates that Senators are elected by the people.

The 19th again refers to the "The right of citizens of the United States to vote".

Then the same thing with the 26th.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

You keep saying "right to vote".
Would you please show me where in the Constitution that is.

There is no right to vote mentioned anywhere in the constitution.
So, since there is no right to vote, the states have the power to regulate it in their state.
If that means showing identification to vote, so be it.

Okay, whatever. Will you address the fact that the impetus for this is not some kind of "protecting the electorate" but that the republicans are trying to thin the dem turnout?

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