Romney 2012?

lets go after all those people that pay no taxes at all, yet still get a refund every year. How much would that save if we just stopped giving them refunds?

like taxing food.

so the poor pay their fair share...

The Romney campaign quickly sought to distance itself from Akin’s remarks.

“Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape,” Romney campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg said in a statement Sunday.

GOP Platform: No Rape and Incest Exception for Abortion

A draft platform for the Republican Party reaffirms its stance on abortion, and does not make an exception for rape or incest, CNN reports.

"Faithful to the 'self-evident' truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed," the draft platform declares, according to CNN. "We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children."

I want to ask our GOP - leaning friends here a question...

There have been several reported cases in the news now of states mounting efforts to make voter ID laws stricter. Included in those reports have been well-documented studies that have proven conclusively that the incidence of in-person voter fraud (the kind where someone is trying to appear as someone else) happens exTREMEly rarely. In fact, it is much more likely you will be struck by lightning (several times) than attempt in-person voter fraud.

So, the motivation for mounting these voter-id legislation efforts have been shown to be something other than maintaining the purity of the voting process. The obvious conclusion (also supported by outcome studies) is that they are being mounted solely to attempt to limit the turnout of Democratic voters - specifically the brownest and poorest of them. A PA GOP official was even quoted boasting about how voter-id would win the state for Romney.

Can you say anything about this phenomenon (defend, rationalize, explain), which is being perpetrated exclusively by your side? Do you think it's a matter of "All's fair in politics"?

A new poll released Tuesday lends credence to what Democrats — and even some Republicans — have warned about Paul Ryan being thrust onto the GOP ticket: Most Americans don’t much care for the Wisconsin Congressman’s sweeping proposal to reform Medicare.

The latest survey from Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling (PPP), conducted on behalf of the Daily Kos and Service Employees International Union (SEIU), shows that 45 percent of registered voters are opposed to Ryan’s proposed reforms to Medicare, while 36 percent support his proposal.

A star among Republicans and the tea party, Ryan’s entrance in the presidential race has rejuvenated a conservative electorate that has been slow to warm up to Mitt Romney.

The Romney camp has attempted to distance itself from the policy plank for which Ryan is best known — his sweeping budget proposal, which included a plan to supplant Medicare for seniors with a private voucher system, that passed the House of Representatives largely along party lines earlier this year — insisting that it’s the budget put forth by the candidate at the top of the ticket that matters the most. Tuesday’s poll suggests that might not please Republicans, 65 percent of whom support Ryan’s plan for Medicare.

But PPP delved deeper with its next question, shifting from general language (“Do you support or oppose Paul Ryan’s proposal for reforming Medicare?”) to a specific reference to the Medicare voucher program — causing support for Ryan’s Medicare plan to erode even further. Sixty-three percent of voters say that Medicare should not be replaced with vouchers to allow the elderly to buy private insurance, while only 19 percent support the voucher plan.

Worse for Ryan, only 29 percent of Republicans support the voucher plan. That’s higher than the 6 percent of Democrats and 22 percent of independents who support the plan, but it still represents the minority position in the GOP: 44 percent of Republicans say Medicare should not be replaced with a voucher system. Polls have consistently shown low support for Ryan’s proposed changes to Medicare, underscoring the vulnerabilities in Romney’s vice presidential pick.

PPP conducted its survey August 16-19 using automated telephone interviews with 1,000 registered voters nationwide. Its margin of error is 3.1 percentage points.

This is the most recent poll I've seen on the subject. Most of the country (74%) seem to support it.

WaPo Voter ID Poll

There have been one or two threads on the subject. Seems like they pretty much ran their course - interest has moved on to Akin/Ryan/legitimate rape.

Irishk wrote:

This is the most recent poll I've seen on the subject. Most of the country (74%) seem to support it.

WaPo Voter ID Poll

See, but here's the thing, IrishK...

I'm not concerned with "what most people agree with". According to the researched FACTS, there is NO NEED for these new voter ID laws, because there have been almost NO incidences of in-person voter fraud over the past ten years - something like 10 cases in all 50 states. What I am asking is, since it's obviously a republican - led effort for expressly partisan motivations to thin the Dem turnout, does anyone on the right think it's wrong? Or in their minds, does the end justify the means even if it perverts the whole voting system?

Firstly, as there has not been a rule requiring ID to vote, there can be no FACTS that support whether there has been a limited amount of fraud or not. If a tree falls in the woods and there is no one there to hear it, does it make a noise? If a voter votes under someone else's name and no one checks their ID, has there been fraud?