revelette
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 01:53 pm
It is so hard to fight blatant falsehoods in the easy way they are spread. No one listens to the explanations but stay fixed on the one liners.

Quote:
CNN's O'Brien Corrects Right-Wing Media Medicare Falsehood

CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien debunked the pervasive right-wing media falsehood that President Obama "stole $700 billion" from Medicare.

Right-wing media have repeatedly claimed that the Medicare savings included in Obama's Affordable Care Act (ACA) "gutted" the Medicare program. However, on CNN's Starting Point, when Romney senior adviser John Sununu claimed that Obama "gutted Medicare by taking $717 billion out of it," O'Brien was quick to correct him.

O'Brien pointed out that Sununu's talking point has been debunked by the Congressional Budget Office, which found that the Medicare savings in the ACA are not cuts, but rather a reduction in the expected rate of growth of the program.

O'Brien also noted that independent fact-checkers have found that the Affordable Care Act does not cut Medicare benefits. These fact-checkers also determined that the claim that hundreds of billions of dollars have been cut from Medicare is outright false.

When Sununu continued to claim that Obama had gutted Medicare, O'Brien confronted him with even more facts, citing evidence that drug providers and hospitals agreed to the Medicare savings because their "theory is that what they're going to be able to do is make up by the number of people who come into the system. It doesn't reduce or cut the benefits.

The right-wing media either doesn't understand the ACA's effect on Medicare, or is blatantly misleading about it. Either way, O'Brien was correct to challenge this false claim, and it's time for the rest of the media to follow suit.


source

Krumple
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 01:56 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

It is so hard to fight blatant falsehoods in the easy way they are spread. No one listens to the explanations but stay fixed on the one liners.


I have been repeating this similar statement all over this board and people just brand it as a bigoted statement.
revelette
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 01:59 pm
@Krumple,
Question
Krumple
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 02:07 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

Question


Many people refuse to check what is said. What people in power claim. They just take it as is without fact checking. After a while what is repeated enough times people assume to be truth. Many people simply don't care what is true. They like their tribal leader and that is all that matters to them. Their tribal leader would never steer them wrong. Never do anything against or to hurt their best interests. They will assume their tribal leader's opposition is the worst being on the planet but will refuse to fact check anything that their tribal leader says.

*tribal leader is their favorite political leader or party candidate.
revelette
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 02:11 pm
@Krumple,
And the above is bigoted how? In other words, I don't recall anyone calling you a bigot for suggesting people should fact check even people they support. But then again, I don't recall you posting that either, but then I haven't followed you around and seen all of your post.

In any event, Romney and his surrogates are being dishonest in their claims of Obama gutting Medicare.
Krumple
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 02:17 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:
In any event, Romney and his surrogates are being dishonest in their claims of Obama gutting Medicare.


A politician being dishonest? Really? Is this the first time that has ever happened?
revelette
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 02:20 pm
@Krumple,
Rolling Eyes
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 02:59 pm
@revelette,
It seems to be a disease with republicans; they have no difficulty in lying even when the media proves what they are saying are lies. Rather than the "No Party," they should be called the "Liars Club." Those conservatives who continue to support those lies are just as bad; nobody seems to stand up to those liars.
Why?
parados
 
  2  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 07:30 pm
@revelette,
In Krumple's world, fact checking doesn't equate to pointing out the lies.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 09:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And democrats don't lie?
Thomas
 
  2  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 10:04 pm
@mysteryman,
No --- at least not on the scale that Republicans currently do.
McGentrix
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 10:08 pm
@Thomas,
Shocked
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 10:17 pm
@mysteryman,
The lies by republicans have been ongoing since early last year.

http://freakoutnation.com/2011/02/14/big-shock-republicans-lie-three-times-more-than-democrats/
RABEL222
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 11:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I just had to show my wife on fact check that a message about a 1% tax on all bank transactions was a lie. One of her uninformed friends sent her an e mail with this bullshit in it. Everything is Obamas fault even when congress started it.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 01:05 am
@RABEL222,
Here's the latest on Romney. He's calling the Obama campaign is on "division, attack, and hatred." Guess what? Romney spent billions destroying his own party members to make it this far.

He can hash it out, but he becomes a baby when it's against him. He needs his momma.

Hypocrite comes to mind. That's beyond his lying most of the time.

Republicans are working on voter suppression; and they call themselves Americans. Hypocrites.


DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 07:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Republicans are working on voter suppression; and they call themselves Americans. Hypocrites.

There's nothing hypocritical about that; America has a long and sordid tradition of rigging elections.

It's when they do it in the name of democracy that they become hypocrites.
revelette
 
  1  
Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 08:54 am
Quote:
Jon Stewart Blasts Republicans For Divisive Hypocrisy

On Wednesday night's "Daily Show," Jon Stewart was a little confused by the growing trend of "positivity" in Mitt Romney's campaign. In a speech on Tuesday, the GOP candidate made a call for Americans to come together in the same sentence that he instructed the current President to "take [his] campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago."

"As a general rule, I find it helps not to frame a plea for national unity by insulting a major city within that nation," Stewart joked.

But the hypocrisy wasn't limited to that one comment. The last few months alone are a veritable treasure trove of divisive language from Mitt's side of the aisle, and Stewart has the footage to prove it.

It's almost as if bipartisan politics pits people against each other in an election year.


source


McGentrix
 
  1  
Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 09:35 am
@revelette,
I like Stewart and watch his show most nights but things like this make him such a dick. A perfect chance to make some digs on Biden and he just turns it around on the right. Sometimes he misses the chance at comedy just to make some political points. Meh.
revelette
 
  1  
Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 09:57 am
@McGentrix,
shrugs
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 12:05 pm
@DrewDad,
If they're not doing it in the name of "democracy" what do you call it? I call it a national crime against the Constitution.
 

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