jcboy
 
  2  
Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2012 05:43 am
@snood,
HAHAHA loved it! Laughing
snood
 
  2  
Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2012 08:22 am
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:

HAHAHA loved it! Laughing


Very Happy I did, too!
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revelette
 
  4  
Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2012 11:10 am
Quote:
If you want proof that the Romney campaign still hasn't figured out how to handle the Romney-Ryan Medicare plan, just check out what they've been saying over the past 72 hours:

Romney had barely walked off stage after announcing he'd picked Paul Ryan when his campaign said Romney would not be running on the Ryan plan.

In an interview with 60 Minutes, Romney said the election wouldn't be a referendum on the Ryan plan and that his plan wasn't the Ryan plan.

On Monday morning, Romney avoided talking about either his plan or the Ryan plan, instead attacking Obama for achieving $700 billion in Medicare savings ... even though Ryan supports those savings.

On Monday afternoon, Mitt Romney claimed the Romney-Ryan plan would expand Medicare, even though it would actually end it.

At the same press conference, Romney said he couldn't think of any differences between his plan and Ryan's plan.

On Tuesday Morning, Romney surrogate John Sununu claimed the Ryan and Romney plans were "very different."

Two hours later, a senior Romney adviser said Ryan and Romney were "100 percent on the same path" on Medicare.

If you know what they're going to say next, you've got a better imagination than me.


links at source

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2012 11:26 am
@revelette,
How do they (conservatives) keep all that conflicting message straight? Do they know who they're voting for? The question should be, do they know "what" they're voting for?

I doubt it; they're the party of "no." They must all be very happy with their choice; total confusion.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2012 04:08 pm
This isn't important or anything, it just made me laugh.

In an interview with a radio station, Obama was invited to say something nice about Romney. He said:

Quote:
"He seems to have a great family. And I really think he had a great health care plan when he was in Massachusetts," Obama said. "Seems to be working really well — One of the reasons why we set up the same kind of plan nationally and we're implementing it right now."


Very Happy
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 14 Aug, 2012 04:52 pm
@sozobe,
Poifect response. Mr. Green
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 04:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
The Ryan budget is already creating division amongst the republicans. It's fun to watch.

From the NYT.
Quote:
The state party there paid for an advertisement on behalf of Representative Denny Rehberg, a Republican who is in a close race with Senator Jon Tester, a Democrat. It lauds Mr. Rehberg for his votes against the Ryan budget, a stance that the advertisement said showed his independence in partisan Washington.


Are they (the GOP) for or against? Nobody knows.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 05:35 am
@cicerone imposter,
I should have included this in my post above from the same NYT article.

Quote:
The fight over Medicare, the popular federal health care program for older Americans, is rapidly intensifying in House and Senate races around the nation after the selection of Representative Paul D. Ryan as the Republican vice-presidential candidate. Congressional Democrats and some analysts say that development could transform the fight for control of Congress, given his role as the author of a House-approved budget plan that would reshape Medicare.


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revelette
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 07:31 am
Quote:
Romney Calls Tax Policy Center’s Analysis Of His Tax Plan ‘Garbage’

Mitt Romney called an independent review of his tax plan by the Tax Policy Center "garbage" for claiming that his plan would give a tax break to the wealthy but increase taxes on the middle class in an interview with Fortune magazine. Romney claimed that TPC ignored the premise of his plan: that the wealthy would pay the same share they do today and that the middle class would see their tax burden reduced.

"Instead they made various assumptions about what they thought I would do which are not in fact accurate," Romney said. "They made an assumption that I would reduce the home mortgage-interest deduction. I will not do that for middle-income taxpayers, as I have already indicated. There's an old expression in the computer world: garbage in, garbage out. They made garbage assumptions and they reached a garbage conclusion."

Though Romney provided no new details about how his plan would be revenue-neutral, he maintained that it was possible:


Simpson-Bowles laid out a formula that shows that you can do just as I described. That you can bring down the rates, limit deductions and exemptions for people at the high end, and with additional growth that comes by virtue of the stimulative action you can reach a balanced budget. I will follow a model similar to Simpson-Bowles and work with Congress to identify which of the alternative methods we should apply to reduce deductions, benefits, and exemptions. Those reductions will occur for people at the high end. I have noted before my commitment to preserve tax preferences for middle-income taxpayers such as homeownership, charitable giving and health care.


Quote:
Steve Fox · Top Commenter

Ohh Mitt, Simpson Bowles raised taxes.


source
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revelette
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 08:34 am
Quote:
Ryan couldn’t predict when Romney’s plan would balance the budget.

Hume: The budget plan you’re now supporting would get to balance when?
Ryan: Well, there are different — the budget plan that Mitt Romney is supporting gets us down to 20 percent of GDP government spending by 2016. That means get the size of government back to where it historically has been. What President Obama has done is he brought the size of government to as high as it hasn’t been since World War II. We want to reduce the size of government to have more economic freedom.

Hume: I get that. What about balance?

Ryan: I don’t know exactly what the balance is. I don’t want to get wonky on you but we haven’t run the numbers on that specific plan. The plan we offer in the House balances the budget. I’d put a contrast. President Obama, never once, ever, has offered a plan to ever balance the budget. The United States Senate, they haven’t even balanced, they haven’t passed a budget in three years.

Hume: I understand that. But your own budget, that you —

Ryan: You are talking about the House budget?

Hume: I’m talking about the House budget. Your budget will be a political issue in this campaign.

Ryan: The House budget doesn’t balance until the 2030s under the current measurement of the CBO baseline.


source

Quote:
Using different ways to calculate spending, The Washington Post found that spending has been going up 5.2 percent a year under Mr. Obama, while The Associated Press put the figure at 3 percent, excluding 2009. Either way, it is neither the “lowest pace in nearly 60 years,” as Mr. Obama claimed, nor “at a pace without precedent in recent history,” as Mr. Romney charged.

Going back to Eisenhower, federal spending has risen on average 7 percent a year, or 2.6 percent when adjusted for inflation. After the spending burst of 2009, Mr. Obama, constrained by Congress and aided by repayments of bank and auto bailouts, increased spending just 0.5 percent a year over the next three fiscal years when adjusted for inflation; only two other three-year periods since Eisenhower had lower spending growth.

source
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revelette
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 10:10 am
Quote:
In an interview with NBC set to air Thursday, Ann Romney, wife of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, said her husband's campaign will not release any additional tax returns to the public ahead of the election.

"We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us," Romney told reporter Natalie Morales, according to excerpts from NBC News. "There's going to be no more tax releases given."

Defying a longstanding trend among presidential candidates, the Romney campaign has only released a single -- and likely incomplete -- tax return.


source

Assuming Ann Romney is speaking from actual knowledge of what her husband will do or not do in this case, Romney is only going to end up releasing one year's tax return.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 10:28 am
@revelette,
I thought they were legally required to release two years' worth of returns.
revelette
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 11:09 am
@DrewDad,
I don't know but I don't think it is a law as much as a tradition. In any case, I guess, we as in "you people" know all need to about her husband's tax returns.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 01:27 pm
@revelette,
It's a given isn't it? A presidential candidate that has to hide his tax returns should be suspect about other matters of his life. Beyond all that, he's a liar.

Conservatives who would support such a candidate makes one wonder where they are coming from or going to! Seems like they are lacking something in the grey matter department.
Krumple
 
  0  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 01:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's a given isn't it? A presidential candidate that has to hide his tax returns should be suspect about other matters of his life. Beyond all that, he's a liar.

Conservatives who would support such a candidate makes one wonder where they are coming from or going to! Seems like they are lacking something in the grey matter department.


I'm going to have a huge laugh when Romney wins and at the same time sadness for the country. Both because so many are convinced that he can not win. They are so convinced it would be entertaining to see him accomplish it. I really don't think anything would be any different than it is now anyways.

We are no longer on a road to anywhere. We have left the cliff a long time ago and are quickly plunging into the canon below and it is only a matter of time before the country slams into rock bottom. It doesn't matter who the conductor of the train is anymore.
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 01:44 pm
@revelette,
You are correct. The "standard" is to release two years, but there is no law that requires them to disclose their tax returns.
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parados
 
  2  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 01:44 pm
@Krumple,
Quote:
We have left the cliff a long time ago and are quickly plunging into the canon below

You really need to fix your spell check. Why it would make canyon into canon I have no idea.

The vision of church dogma being a rocky surface to crash into is rather interesting however. Although certainly a far right win would slam us into church canons more quickly than a left win.
Krumple
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 01:47 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
We have left the cliff a long time ago and are quickly plunging into the canon below

You really need to fix your spell check. Why it would make canyon into canon I have no idea.


Well since you are that dense you can't seem to figure out that it is a spell checker not a grammar checker.
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 01:50 pm
@Krumple,
The stupid... it burns.
Krumple
 
  1  
Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2012 01:53 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

The stupid... it burns.


What, I thought you were all for hope and change?
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