Romney 2012?

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

The "world of terrorism" has been restricted to a few countries.

And England is one of them. Al Quaida, for example, has struck in London before. Incidentally, only a few weeks after you and I first met there. It could have easily been us in that subway.

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I sympathize with wanting everyone to be honest all the time, Thomas.

But, there is a medium between honest and dishonest, which is parlaying to meet in another better advised situation.

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
The "world of terrorism" has been restricted to a few countries.

And England is one of them. Al Quaida, for example, has struck in London before. Incidentally, only a few weeks after you and I first met there. It could have easily been us in that subway.

And nothing they are doing for the Olympics would have stopped it.

This is a fatuous argument that is being advanced here; it misses the essential point that Romney misread the purpose of the question in the first place.

Cycloptichorn

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
The "world of terrorism" has been restricted to a few countries.

And England is one of them. Al Quaida, for example, has struck in London before. Incidentally, only a few weeks after you and I first met there. It could have easily been us in that subway.

That was back when every terrorist act was blamed on AQ -- sold more papers, made UP and CIA relevant and justified Bush's attack on Afghanistan -- raised his approval approval rating to 92 percent...

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

ehBeth wrote:
What's the benefit of aggravating your host at a party?

When the host has millions of other guests and does a bad job at securing their safety?

no one knows if a bad job has been done

he didn't have to lie and say he thought things are brilliant. he just needed to show up, smile, and say nothing he could get whacked for.

politicians need to pick their battles, and this was something that didn't even need to be a skirmish

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yaknow, I want to point out that it isn't just Obama supporters who are knocking Romney for this thing.

And it's not just Romney supporters who are defending him for this thing.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Romney misread the purpose of the question in the first place.

Unbelievable. We have "journalists" who ask safe, anodyne questions to which candidates are expected to give evasive, tendentious non-answers, and you're defending that practice? Sorry, unlike you I can't criticize Romney for not playing that game.

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Finally, an issue that breaks through traditional party lines!

He had a much better day today, apparently. Didn't say a single word that I can find reported.

Cycloptichorn

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Romney misread the purpose of the question in the first place.

Unbelievable. We have "journalists" who ask safe, anodyne questions to which candidates are expected to give evasive, tendentious non-answers, and you're defending that practice? Sorry, unlike you I can't criticize Romney for not playing that game.

Heck, yeah, I'm defending that practice! Because, when you're asked a safe, anodyne question, and you respond with cutting criticism - and here's the important part, it's criticism which has nothing to do with your candidacy or opponent or the election in any way whatsoever - it doesn't matter if you are right, you come off as an asshole. Which is what Romney has recently discovered, to my happiness.

Romney DOES play that game, btw. He plays it constantly. He's not like some rebel that refuses to give BS or evasive answers, he does so all the time. And he does it on every single important matter possible. He just fucked this one up, is all.

Romney - a straight-shooter when it comes to criticizing allies in a meaningless yet high-profile way, a total douche when it comes to answering questions about his own policies. I'm not sure that's the image he should have tried to cultivate. Think of it as a meta-game; there's what you think and who you are, and then there's the impression you want people to have of what you think and who you are. He just totally fails to understand the meta-game.

Cycloptichorn

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@joefromchicago,

I'd guess there's about 30% of conservatives who still supports Romney; the same bunch that always supported the Tea Party, Palin, and Buchmann.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Heck, yeah, I'm defending that practice!

I wouldn't have expected you to care more for the optics than the substance of the campaign. Live and learn.

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@joefromchicago,

Think of how a Romney presidency would perform when one observes how he had experience in the SLC olympics, then made one of the biggest gaffs in London. His "experience" seems to have been a negative more than a positive; same goes for his "experience" at Bain.

He's going to give tax breaks to US companies that offshore jobs to China, India, and Mexico.

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@Thomas,

Why don't you wait and see how it all turns out before you slag us off?

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Heck, yeah, I'm defending that practice!

I wouldn't have expected you to care more for the optics than the substance of the campaign. Live and learn.

I somehow doubt my opprobrium is going to change the practice of lobbing softball questions to politicians. So why bother?

Cycloptichorn

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@izzythepush,

Even then, it might have noting to do with an above average security system in place.

There are many crazies (even a Brit citizen) out there that can even surprise family members, work associates, and/or close friends.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Why don't you wait and see how it all turns out before you slag us off?

That's exactly what Romney said in the very first and the very last sentence of his answer. Is London ready to hold Olympic games? You gotta wait and see how it all turns out.

Quote:

BRIAN WILLIAMS:
And in the short time you've been here in London, do they look ready to your experienced eye?

MITT ROMNEY:
You know, it's hard to know just how well it were turn out-- will turn out. There are a few things that were disconcerting, the stories about the-- private security firm not having enough people-- the sup-- supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials, that obviously is not something which is encouraging. Because in the games, there-- there are three parts that makes games successful.

Number one, of course, are the athletes. That's what overwhelmingly the games are about. Number two are the volunteers. And they'll have great volunteers here. But number three are the people of the-- of the country. Do they come together and celebrate the Olympic moment? And that's something which we only find out once the games actually begin. (Emphasis added, T.)

Read the transcript.

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@Thomas,

Jesus, Thomas - your concerns may be right on. This was not the venue for it.

So, what is your point, that you want to pinpoint areas that are iffy and have a discussion? Film at eleven.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

So, what is your point, that you want to pinpoint areas that are iffy and have a discussion? Film at eleven.

My point is that Romney's remarks are a non-issue, and that this fake scandal around them is silly at best, hypocritical at worst.

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@Thomas,

Well, first of all, I'm not swell with media myself, so I understand - but this is a guy who wants to be president.

I hope the remarks are a non issue, telling the world that security has holes.

Yes, I know this has been discussed in the local press. Still, tacky, in a followed diplomacy moment.

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@Thomas,

Romney's remarks may be a non-issue to you, but many Brits think different.

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