Romney 2012?

@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

But it wasn't insulting. It was true! Hell, it was in all the British newspapers. The press over there has been complaining for over a month about the slipshod security arrangements, but when Romney points out that they've been having problems, suddenly that's out of line?

Don't rag on my family. That's my job.

(doesn't every family have that rule?)

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If Romney had informed the Brits about security, he should have done it behind closed doors. You don't announce it to the world that the olympic games is weak on security.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

That's not 'truth-telling.' It's an incredibly stupid ******* answer. All he had to say was, 'yes, I'm quite sure they are ready. ...

he's marvellous at talking around questions about many things about himself - he needs to learn how to do that in other situations

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Someone on a morning show today shared a good way for Mitt to have handled the whole thing about olympic readiness. They said it would have been like you visit someone's home, and they have an incredibly ugly yellow naugahide couch. You should just say "Nice couch", and go on about your business. Simple diplomacy.

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Too many posts to reply to individually, so let me just sum up:

I am truly surprised by people who will go on and on about how Romney is a liar and can't be trusted and is always changing his positions -- and then, when he actually tells the truth, those same people turn around and say "well, in this instance Romney shouldn't have told the truth." I really find that hard to fathom. And if the Brits are acting like big girls' blouses because Romney pointed out something that they already knew, they just need to get over it. Yeah, it's tough when an outsider points out your problems, but if you don't want outsiders pointing those things out, you should fix them.

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@joefromchicago,

All of this is predicated on the premise that the stories are accurate.

It's the media's job to spread fear and concern. Then when someone takes them up on their fear and concern and repeats it that creates more fear and concern for the media because it wasn't the media doing it.

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@joefromchicago,

It's because the job he's applying for includes many roles. He needs to demonstrate that he's capable in filling each of them - or at least some of them. He's demonstrated that he isn't a very good governor according to the people he governed, that he's soft of policy positions according to nearly everything that comes out of his mouth, and, now, that he's weak on diplomacy skills.

The man isn't running for the position of King. How he relates to people on the local and foreign stage matters!

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Well, Romney had a hard time sticking to his inconvenient truths as story progressed.

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Romney, who was in charge of the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, caused an international stir during a Wednesday interview when he questioned London's ability to host the games, saying: 'It's hard to know just how well it will turn out.'

But on Thursday, after a morning of meetings with top British officials - including Prime Minister David Cameron - Romney made a complete about-face on his remarks, saying he believes the Olympics will be 'successful.'

That declaration came after Cameron challenged Romney and other critics during an appearance in Olympic Park, when he said: 'You're going to see beyond doubt that Britain can deliver.'

source

I guess a lot changed with the security and other problems between those hours.

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@revelette,

I don't see anything wrong with that, actually.

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I do have to agree with Joe. This isn't even big enough to be a tempest in a teapot. At most it's a tempest in a demitasse. Perhaps it would be a concern if Britian was sending aircraft carriers to patrol the eastern seaboard but until then would everyone just sit quietly and enjoy your crumpets.

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@joefromchicago,

What most of us are trying to point out is that Romney is an unpredictable cannon about foreign policy. That's the bottom line.

We're talking about relationships with our allies in addition to how a Romney presidency will make remarks that are dangerous or instigate more hate from our enemies that can create a more dangerous environment for all.

Romney has challenged Obama's management of foreign affairs. We should be weary about how Romney will manage foreign affairs if he's president.

It's how the Brits have reacted to Romney's latest comments about their security. That should be a big concern, because in effect Romney insulted the Brits.

There's a whole list of media reports on the internet,

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. The Brits are all saying; “…and THIS is who the Americans want as their next President?” .

Yes, parados, it's "that" important!

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@parados,

Well, considering that a teaspoon of the voters are going to determine who wins the election, it does matter. If you're an undecided voter in a swing state (the only votes that matter this cycle) and you see yet one more thing that makes you scratch your head does it influence whether you're going to vote against an incumbent President?

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@cicerone imposter,

On the bright side, he didn't throw up on anyone.

And the Brits are remembering the last US President to go to an Olympics and thinking ... THIS is who the American HAD as their President!!

http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/drunk-bush-olympics.jpg

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

That's not 'truth-telling.' It's an incredibly stupid ******* answer. All he had to say was, 'yes, I'm quite sure they are ready. Even if they have had a few stumbles along the way, well, I can tell you from my personal experience that no program of this size goes off without a hitch. But the country looks excited and I'm sure that the small problems they've had won't ruin what look to be a great Olympics.'

THAT would have been a good answer. The questioner wasn't asking for him to provide details about the problems the Brits have had. He was giving him an opportunity to show support for an ally. And he fucked it up, because he's a consultant at heart, and it shows.

He's a politician - it's his job to know when to be truthful and when not. And it's his job to correctly understand questions that are posed to him.

Cycloptichorn

No, then the American media would have been all hyped up about how Mitt was ignoring all the trouble London had been having and that he was obviously oblivious to all the problems. Then his time handling the Salt lake games would have been called into question as well as his ability to not see problems that are so glaringly obvious.

The media is not Mitts friend and every thing he says and does will be magnified 1000%. So, better to tell the truth.

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@McGentrix,

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No, then the American media would have been all hyped up about how Mitt was ignoring all the trouble London had been having

Sorry, but this is pure BS. I mean, c'mon. Nobody in our media would have gotten 'hyped up' about Mitt making a positive and vague comment about the upcoming Olympics.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I think McG is of the thought that all US media acts like Fox.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Romney has seriously pissed off the Tories over this. They should be his natural allies, Labour can't stand him.

The press (right & left wing) has portrayed his as some loud mouth wannabe, who should really **** off back home. Nobody wants him here. Nobody is interested in what he has to say, we all think Obama is a shoo-in anyway.

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@joefromchicago,

tact
n.
1. Acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending.

(emphasis mine)

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

. . .So, better to tell the truth.

Ok. Even then, though, he could have put it with more savoir-faire, saying something like, "I understand there have been security issues, but I am confident that our British hosts have the situation completely and competently under control."

I do think the Brits have it under control. If Mit doesn't, he could have simply lied about his feelings, which are inconsequential in regard to diplomacy.

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@InfraBlue,

In any event Cameron will take every opportunity to get himself photographed next to Obama, because of Obama's popularity. Romney will be shown as much respect as protocol dictates, but that will be it.

This is in stark contrast to the level of support Cameron showed John McCain, asking him to address the Tory party conference. Romney will not be asked to do the same, Cameron is under fire for right wing policies, and Romney is far too right wing for our tastes, and a tax avoider to boot.

In short every time Cameron is photographed with Obama his votes go up, next to Romney they go down. As far as the Conservatives are concerned, Romney is a toxic brand.

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