revelette
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2012 09:07 am
@JPB,
A person can only reasonably conclude that whatever is in those tax returns must be worse than taking heat (even from your own party members) for not disclosing them.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2012 09:31 am
Here's what Steve Rattner had to say Sunday on CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS":

Quote:
"If you say to your tax people, as he seems to have done, 'I want every trick in the book.' I want to push this to the edge....I will tell you that as a private equity guy, I'm familiar with many of the things that he did. And I know many people who have done many of the things that he did. I do not know anyone who did everything that he did."

"Some of what he did, like the IRA, I have asked fellow private equity guys....None of us had even known this was a possible trick, if you will. He has pushed the envelope all the way to the edge, to his benefit, and I think that Americans would find that pretty distasteful."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/22/steve-rattner-mitt-romney_n_1692895.html

This is the entire point of wanting to see Romney's tax returns: the man went to distasteful and shocking lengths to manipulate tax law to avoid paying even the low taxes he's assessed on his investment earnings to the government. His lawyers have likely invented NEW ways of avoiding taxes. That's a qualitatively different thing than 'taking a deduction.'

Cycloptichorn
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2012 12:44 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Good to see someone finally admit that the only reason to see the returns is to attack Romney for them. A little honesty goes a long way.

Imagine what a successful business person, willing to use the law for their own advantage, will do for our entire country. Perhaps making all prosperous instead of dependent on government to do for them.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2012 12:56 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Good to see someone finally admit that the only reason to see the returns is to attack Romney for them. A little honesty goes a long way.


Well, that's the only reason I want to see them. But, if there's nothing in there to attack him with, he has nothing to worry about - right?

Obviously this isn't the case - you know it and so does everyone else who defends him out of party loyalty.

Quote:
Imagine what a successful business person, willing to use the law for their own advantage, will do for our entire country. Perhaps making all prosperous instead of dependent on government to do for them.


Why would you think Romney has any intention of doing that? He's done NOTHING in his private business life to help others - only to enrich himself and his other wealthy partners. Why don't you posit that he will continue to do exactly that as president? It's far more likely than your account. After all, that's what his own economic platform calls for, right now.

Cycloptichorn
Rockhead
 
  1  
Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2012 01:10 pm
@McGentrix,
Imagine what a successful business person, willing to use the law for their OWN advantage, will do for our entire country (meaning the wealthy and others like himself). Perhaps making all prosperous (except those unable to help themselves) instead of dependent on government to do for them. (those that need assistance beware)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2012 03:48 pm
Quote:
The Hidden Mitt

The explanations in each case are slightly different, but point less to the operatives around Romney—who are neither dumb nor blind—than to their boss. Regarding Bain, the candidate has apparently been in some state of denial about the degree of vulnerability his record there presents. To him, the equation is dead simple: private sector = good. (And the campaign has further been hampered by the press-shy executives now running Bain, whose allergy to the spotlight, as Mark Halperin pointed out recently in Time, has ironically only increased the glare.) Regarding his taxes, Romney has been at once less helpful and more adamant with his advisers—and more clueless about the potential fallout. Those around him say that, even with the shitstorm his position has unleashed, he remains unyielding in his insistence that two years of returns are all he’s willing to make public.

The depth to which Romney has dug in his heels has naturally provoked a welter of speculation about what in God’s name is in the returns—and just how bad it could be. That the levels of income will be stratospherically (some would say obscenely) high is taken as a given. That there are some years in which Romney paid an extremely low effective tax rate—lower, maybe much lower, than the 13.9 percent rate he paid in 2010—is quite likely. And then there is the most problematic possibility: that the Swiss and Cayman accounts that we already know about are just the tip of an iceberg, one that would suggest an aggressive, arguably unpatriotic pattern of tax-avoidance.

My own guess, however, is that apart from one or more of these elements, what the Romney tax returns would lay bare is the extent of his donations to his church. In this case and all others, charitable donations are something to be proud of, an entirely honorable thing. But for a candidate who has taken extravagant pains to avoid discussion of his supremely prominent role in contemporary Mormonism, the idea of a wave of news stories detailing the tens of millions of dollars that he has given to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints—surely making him among its most generous funders in the modern era—must be a kind of nightmare. The kind that would open a can of worms that has little to do with money and everything to do with an aspect of his life that might humanize him and be reassuring or even inspiring to millions of Americans, but that he evidently regards as a strict no-go zone.

One sign that this issue is weighing on Romney’s mind was the performance that his wife, Ann, turned in on Good Morning America last week. In an uncomfortable exchange with Robin Roberts about her husband’s position on the tax returns, Mrs. Romney said, “You should really look at where Mitt has led his life and where he’s been financially. He’s been a very generous person. We give 10 percent of our income to our church every year. Do you think that is the kind of person that is trying to hide things?”


The rhetorical question at the end of that quote is, of course, a non sequitur. And along with Mrs. Romney’s unusually agitated demeanor on the show—she is typically the best and most effective surrogate the campaign has on its side—it suggested that, far more than Bain, the question of the tax returns is getting under the Romneys’ collective skin. That is certainly how it was seen in Chicago. And that is why, though some combination of Team Romney’s attacks on Obama, the Olympics, and the nominee’s selection of his running mate may have the effect of shifting the subject, the effect will only be temporary. For beyond what Chicago is gleaning from its polling and focus groups, the president’s people see in the issue of the tax returns a way to get inside his head.

“One of the things we learned during the Republican primaries is that you can rattle Romney more easily than people think,” says a senior Obama strategist. “And when he’s rattled is when he makes mistakes.” The members of the Romney campaign are perfectly familiar with the tactic of messing with a rival’s mind; they did it to Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum in succession, all to no small effect. To survive what’s coming will require of them a kind of nimbleness notably absent in the past two weeks. But more than that, it will require a recognition that the tactics being used against them are as much psy-ops as class warfare.


http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/mitt-romney-2012-7/index1.html

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2012 04:48 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Some people can't differentiate the difference between business and government. Even the CEO of any company usually has more influence than any president who must get the approval of congress with two opposing parties.

But then, many on a2k are not too informed about how their own government works.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2012 08:32 pm
http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/retroactive-homelessness.gif

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 08:19 pm
Wuh Oh.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mitt-romney/9424524/Mitt-Romney-would-restore-Anglo-Saxon-relations-between-Britain-and-America.html

Quote:
As the Republican presidential challenger accused Barack Obama of appeasing America’s enemies in his first foreign policy speech of the election campaign, advisers told The Daily Telegraph that he would abandon Mr Obama’s “Left-wing” coolness towards London.

In remarks that may prompt accusations of racial insensitivity, one suggested Mr Romney was better placed to understand the ties between the countries than Mr Obama, whose father was from Africa. “We are part of an Anglo-Saxon heritage, and he feels that the special relationship is special,” the adviser said of Mr Romney, adding: “The White House didn’t fully appreciate the shared history we have.”


Romney'd better be careful with stuff like that

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 08:40 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
They are incapable of the sensitivities of racial bigotry, and it's been proven too often for it to be accidental or lapse of brain activity.

Exactly, who did Obama appease?

And Romney is ignorant about what Obama has done last year.

Quote:
25 May 2011
President Obama: Now is time for US and West to lead

President Obama: "Perhaps, the argument goes... the time for our leadership has passed. That argument is wrong"Continue reading the main story
Obama in Europe

President Obama has told British politicians that, despite the rise of new global powers, the time for US and European leadership "is now".

He said the influence of the US, UK and allies would remain "indispensable," in a speech in Parliament on the second day of his UK state visit.

But he said that leadership would need to "change with the times" to reflect economic and security challenges.

He is the first US president to address MPs and peers in Westminster Hall.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 08:41 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
What, you mean admitting what everybody knows?

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2012 09:49 pm
@DrewDad,
Another fact of history. Do you know why Hitler was able to accomplish so much in Europe?

Here's some history for the republicans. They conveniently forget history when they're at fault in the same manner they forgot GW Bush was responsible for the current world's Great Recession that impacted unemployment - all over the world.

Quote:
For even Gingrich, the former college history professor who managed to mention the presidential election of 1860, George Kennan's Long Telegram of 1946 and George Orwell's "1984," left out the inconvenient truth that in the years before Dec. 7, 1941, nearly all of the "appeasers" opposed to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's efforts to aid Europe were Republicans.
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 09:26 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Oh well, he has an out, it was just his advisor who said it, not Romney. He will get to say that he would have used other words, leaving the impression that what his advisor said was correct, just politically incorrect.

The following is more of what his advisor had to say.
Quote:

Members of the former Massachusetts governor's foreign policy advisory team claimed that as president, he would reverse Mr Obama’s priority of repairing strained overseas relationships while not spending so much time maintaining traditional alliances such as Britain and Israel.

“In contrast to President Obama, whose first instinct is to reach out to America’s adversaries, the Governor’s first impulse is to consult and co-ordinate and to move closer to our friends and allies overseas so they can rely on American constancy and strength,” one told the Telegraph.

“Obama is a Left-winger," said another. "He doesn’t value the Nato alliance as much, he’s very comfortable with American decline and the traditional alliances don’t mean as much to him. He wouldn’t like singing ‘Land of Hope and Glory'.”

The two advisers said Mr Romney would seek to reinstate the Churchill bust displayed in the Oval Office by George W. Bush but returned to British diplomats by Mr Obama when he took office in 2009. One said Mr Romney viewed the move as “symbolically important” while the other said it was “just for starters”, adding: “He is naturally more Atlanticist”.


source



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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 09:55 am
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/557263_467640526587064_1452398162_n.jpg
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 10:01 am
@Butrflynet,
I don't think he lost them, he just doesn't wish to share them.
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 10:24 am
One can see why, they will probably put to the lie everything he has been claiming. But there are ways to find things out with his having to disclose his tax returns.

.
Quote:
People can point out how - I was in Salt Lake City for three straight years. I don't recall even coming back once to go to a Bain or management meeting. We were, I was out there running the Olympics and it was a full time job, I can tell you that.


source

Quote:
Those familiar with Romney's discussions with his Bain partners said the contacts included several meetings in Boston, the company's home base, but were limited to matters that did not affect the firm's investments or other management decisions. Yet Romney continued to oversee his partnership stakes even as he disengaged from the firm, personally signing or approving a series of corporate and legal documents through the spring of 2001, according to financial reports reviewed by The Associated Press


source
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 10:28 am
@revelette,
Conservatives have practiced deceit to such a high level of success, most conservatives believe most things they hear from their minions. They don't even know what a "lie" is. If repeated enough times, it becomes their truth.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 11:48 am
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ROMNEY_BAIN_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The AP fact-checkers have concluded that Romney was lying when he said he 'had no contact whatsoever' with Bain post-1999.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 11:49 am
Additionally, the AP also believes that Romney's current attacks on Obama are for comments taken 'wildly out of context.'

http://news.yahoo.com/spin-meter-obamas-didnt-build-echoes-190033849.html?_esi=1

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2012 11:50 am
The Romney campaign is now trying to walk back their 'Obama doesn't understand the Anglo-Saxon relationship' comments.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/07/25/romney-camp-denies-anglo-saxon-comment.html

Cycloptichorn
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