McGentrix
 
  1  
Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2012 08:07 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Quote:
WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney adviser Ed Gillespie said Sunday that the candidate "retired retroactively" from his job at Bain Capital, which Romney maintains that he left in 1999 despite evidence suggesting he remained involved with the company until 2002.



What evidence?
mysteryman
 
  0  
Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2012 08:17 pm
@Ragman,
So in other words, you have not demanded to see the tax records of the people that actually spend the money, you only want to see the presidential candidates records.

That is extrememly stupid.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2012 08:21 pm
@parados,
Quote:
This is about trusting the person you are voting for. Who ultimately would you trust? Someone that shows you his secrets or someone that keeps them?


I will always trust someone that can keep secrets.
As president, he will see many things that are secret,or otherwise classified.
I would hope that he or she can keep secrets and one of those would be their tax returns.
It is nobodies business, and shouldnt be.
DrewDad
 
  2  
Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2012 09:26 pm
@McGentrix,
CNN has a video of him saying it....

Try a Google search with "romney retired retroactively."
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2012 09:32 pm
MM, you say you'll trust someone who can keep secrets.

All right, let's put it this way: He was my governor for four years. As a result of that, I don't trust him. He ran for office incessantly for eight years, before he finally won something. He talked a LOT during those eight years. Everything he told us he was for, he promptly told us he was against once he finally got into office. You may call that keeping a secret. I call it pandering. I call it lying. If you trust him, you're going to be bitterly disappointed.
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JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2012 09:57 pm
@mysteryman,
Quote:
I will always trust someone that can keep secrets.


Hell, MM, you trusted that huge liar, George Bush, even after you know he lied his ass off. You trusted him after he led the US in two illegal invasions, two war crimes that begat numerous other war crimes.

Now you prance around pretending that honesty means something to you.
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Ragman
 
  1  
Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 07:49 am
@mysteryman,
Speaking of stupid, you've totally misinterpreted what I wrote. Perhaps you've some learning disability because what I've written is the exact opposite. Accountability should be for the whole of Congress and not just the Prez.

Perhaps you should take the time to comprehend what you read and not just jump down someone's throat with gratuitous insults.
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revelette
 
  4  
Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 09:26 am
@mysteryman,
Quote:
Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Monday insisted that he would not release more than the two years of tax returns he had already promised because they could be damaging to his White House ambitions.

Over the weekend, conservative Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol had said that Romney would be “crazy” not to “[t]ake the hit for a day or two” and follow in his father’s footsteps by releasing more than just one or two years of returns.

During a Monday interview on Fox & Friends, the GOP hopeful laughed off the call to be more transparent by citing two failed presidential candidate

“John McCain ran for president and released two years of tax returns,” Romney explained. “John Kerry ran for president. You know, his wife, who has hundreds of millions of dollars, she never released her tax returns. Somehow this wasn’t an issue.”

“The Obama people keep on wanting more and more and more,” he continued. “More things to pick through, more things for their opposition research to try make a mountain out of and to distort and to be dishonest about. We’re going to put out two years of tax returns.”

While Romney is correct that Teresa Heinz Kerry declined to release any tax returns when her husband, Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), ran for the White House in 2004, a candidate’s wife is not usually held to the same standard as the candidate. Over a course of years of campaigning for the Senate and presidency, Sen. Kerry had actually released 20 years worth of returns by 2004.

Watch this video from Fox News’ Fox & Friends, broadcast July 16, 2012.


source





DrewDad
 
  2  
Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 09:31 am
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

Quote:
Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Monday insisted that he would not release more than the two years of tax returns he had already promised because they could be damaging to his White House ambitions.

Damn. How bad does it have to be for him to prefer endless speculation over just putting the story to bed?
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 04:08 pm
This is the best comment I've read on the Bain thing, by far:

Quote:
Private equity operates by its own quantum rules. As Romney mouthpiece Ed Gillespie explained on Meet the Press yesterday, Mitt retired from Bain "retroactively":

Quote:
"GREGORY: He was still financially linked to Bain. And of course, a lot his fortune is due to his time with Bain. Even when he was on leave, does he stand by the business decisions that were made by the firm he created?

GILLESPIE: He actually retired retroactively at that point. He ended up not going back to the firm after his time in Salt Lake City. So he was actually retired from Bain."


Romney's private equity career is like Schrödinger's Cat: at any point in the space-time contunuum, Mitt Romney both worked for Bain and didn't work for Bain. He could be working there now. It all depends.

You wouldn't understand.


Cycloptichorn
parados
 
  4  
Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 04:26 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I think the point is Romney took a leave of absence and then didn't go back to work after that absence making his retirement effective when he went on leave.

That would work well if Romney was an employee and wasn't paid during his absence. The problem is not only was Romney the sole owner, he also signed documents and was paid rather handsomely during the time he was "on leave."

If I sold my house and then claimed I really sold it 3 years earlier because I wasn't really living there, I think there would be some questions raised. But the rich certainly do live by different rules.
parados
 
  2  
Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 04:29 pm
@parados,
I wonder which year Romney paid capital gains taxes on the sale of his shares of Bain. That would certainly help to clear all this up. If he releases his tax returns for those years then we would know if he actually sold Bain in 1999 or 2002.
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JTT
 
  0  
Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 08:00 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Monday insisted that he would not release more than the two years of tax returns he had already promised because they could be damaging to his White House ambitions.


Quote:
Private equity operates by its own quantum rules. As Romney mouthpiece Ed Gillespie explained on Meet the Press yesterday, Mitt retired from Bain "retroactively":

Quote:
"GREGORY: He was still financially linked to Bain. And of course, a lot his fortune is due to his time with Bain. Even when he was on leave, does he stand by the business decisions that were made by the firm he created?

GILLESPIE: He actually retired retroactively at that point. He ended up not going back to the firm after his time in Salt Lake City. So he was actually retired from Bain."


Romney's private equity career is like Schrödinger's Cat: at any point in the space-time contunuum, Mitt Romney both worked for Bain and didn't work for Bain. He could be working there now. It all depends.

You wouldn't understand.


Romney's a shoo-in for president.
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snood
 
  1  
Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 08:38 am
Erin Burnett - no leftwing shill - had some very unvarnished advice for Myth Romney:

Erin Burnett To Romney: Release Your Tax Returns Unless You're 'Stupid'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/erin-burnett-romney-tax-returns-stupid_n_1679027.html

CNN's Erin Burnett called on Monday for Mitt Romney to release more of his tax returns.

Speaking on her show "Outfront," the host said that the only reasons not to do so were evasiveness or stupidity.

Romney has released his 2010 tax return, but has steadfastly refused to release any more of them. This has led to calls even from conservative corners for him to more fully disclose his tax dealings. Columnist George Will, for instance, said on Sunday that it was high time for him to do so.

"If something's going to come out, get it out in a hurry," referencing the idea that Romney sees political peril in the contents of his returns.


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revelette
 
  1  
Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 10:56 am
Top Romney surrogate calls Obama a socialist stoner who needs to 'learn how to be an American'

Quote:
How desperate is Romneyland to not talk about Bain? So desperate that they trotted out former George H. W. Bush chief of staff John Sununu to attack the president as a pothead foreigner who doesn't have a clue about creating jobs and needs to "learn how to be an American."

According to Sununu, Obama "spent his early years in Hawaii smoking something" before moving to Indonesia before finally "he came to the U.S." to be "a community organizer, which is a socialized structure." And to make it even worse: he did it in a Chicago, home of the thugs.

SUNUNU: This guy doesn’t understand how to create jobs. So there is no surprise — there should be because of that statement no surprise on why he failed so miserably over the last four years, in terms of job creation. He has no idea how the American system functions, and we shouldn’t be surprised about that, because he spent his early years in Hawaii smoking something, spent the next set of years in Indonesia, another set of years in Indonesia, and, frankly, when he came to the U.S. he worked as a community organizer, which is a socialized structure, and then got into politics in Chicago


Quote:
Title: All Employees: Total Private Industries
Series ID: USPRIV
Source: U.S. Department of Labor: Bureau of Labor Statistics
Release: Employment Situation
Seasonal Adjustment: Seasonally Adjusted
Frequency: Monthly
Units: Thousands of Persons
Date Range: 1939-01-01 to 2012-06-01
Last Updated: 2012-07-06 8:16 AM CDT

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2012-06-01 111145


source
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revelette
 
  1  
Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 01:59 pm
Limbaugh's Dark Knight Rises/Romney Conspiracy: "Do You Think That It Is Accidental" The Villain Is Called "Bane"?

Just thought it was funny. So is the comment made by a poster:


Quote:
The MidnightWriterToday 02:42 PMin reply to bintexas

Under other circumstances I'd agree that it's pure coincidence.

Under these I prefer to think of it as retroactive karma.
snood
 
  1  
Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 05:20 pm
@revelette,
I would have sworn that this was an "Onion" story, except I've seen it in a few straight-up news locations. You think the Oxycontin finally melted the synapses in El Rushbo's brain?
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 05:27 pm
@snood,
DC Comics should have retroactively retired the character they introduced in 1993.....
snood
 
  2  
Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2012 05:40 pm
@DrewDad,
retroactively retired...heh heh
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revelette
 
  2  
Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 08:58 am
Quote:
Right now, the U.S. tax code gives multinational corporations tax breaks for moving jobs overseas. President Obama not only wants to eliminate those tax breaks, but plans to create a new tax credit for companies that bring jobs back home.

In contrast, Mitt Romney’s tax plan would not only protect those existing tax breaks, but would create larger incentives for companies to ship U.S. jobs overseas. In fact, according to a new economic analysis, Romney’s economic plan could actually create 800,000 jobs in foreign countries.

Here’s how:
1.
Romney would eliminate all taxes on the foreign profits of U.S. companies. Currently, U.S. corporations don’t have to pay U.S. taxes on profits earned overseas until those profits are brought back into the United States. If elected, Romney would completely eliminate all U.S. taxes on these profits. Therefore, for the first time in modern history, an American company could move a factory overseas and never pay a single dollar in U.S. taxes on the profits generated by that factory.

2.
Eliminating taxes on foreign profits could create 800,000 jobs overseas. No longer required to pay taxes on foreign profits, companies would now have new incentives to move their operations out of the United States. Economist Kim Clausing, an expert in international taxation, estimated that Romney’s plan to eliminate these taxes could lead to the creation of 800,000 jobs overseas. These jobs, created in China and other countries, could replace American jobs, drive down the wages of American middle-class workers, and undermine our economic recovery.

3.
Romney’s plan would also undercut the U.S. tax base. Free to avoid paying taxes back home on profits earned abroad, multinational corporations could exploit accounting rules to make it appear that a large share of their profits are earned overseas. This gimmick would further undermine the U.S. tax base, which could increase the deficit and force small businesses and middle-class families to bear a higher share of the tax burden.


President Obama’s plan reduces the incentive to move operations overseas, and instead, creates a new 20 percent income tax credit that helps companies cover their moving expenses and bring their operations back to the United States. And to create a more level playing field for American businesses, the President has proposed a minimum tax on foreign earnings, which will reduce incentives for moving profits offshore.

The choice between President Obama and Mitt Romney is the choice between two fundamentally different economic visions: President Obama would reward companies for creating jobs in America, and Romney would reward companies for creating jobs in other countries. The choice is that stark and that clear


source
 

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