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"A Few Years Ago This Guy Would Have Been Getting Us Coffee"

 
 
Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 08:04 am
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-01-10/news/17943437_1_hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-game-change

What's Bill Clinton up to?

Theories I've heard:

1) He's still mad at Obama for playing the race card with him in 2008
2) He doesn't want to see a Dem president (other than him) since Truman win a second term
3) He doesn't approve of the direction Obama is taking his party
4) He just wants to be the Big Dog
5) He wants Obama to lose so Hillary will be better positioned for a another shot in 2016

6) The latest, trotted out by an "advisor", is that at 65, he's off his game and isn't as disciplined as he once was when speaking with the Media.

There's probably some truth to all of them, but my guess is that it has more to do with Hillary than anything else.

By all appearances they have a very strange relationship but I don't doubt that he loves her very much in his own weird way, and I think he believes he owes her big time for all of his sexcapades.

I think he's convinced that if Obama wins re-election, he will render Democrats toxic in 2016 and none of them will be able to win. If by some chance Obama turns things around in a second term and proves successful, then Hillary would have a tough time beating heir apparent Joe Biden.

Unless Romney wins and conditions take a turn for the worst (given the state of the world's economy, a possibility no matter what Romney does), Hillary's chances in 2016 won't be great. The former president however is a consummate politician however and I'm sure he's thought out all the scenarios and how to achieve the best one for her.

I do think there's a lot of truth in the explanation that he's "lost" discipline, but only to the extent that he doesn't need to discipline himself to say what is politically advantageous. He can now say whatever he really believes.

If this explanation was made without his knowledge and consent, look out for the next barrage against Obama since it is going to be very easy for folks to interpret the comments as Clinton losing a step mentally. He may secretly enjoy the sobriquet of Slick Willy, but Foggy Bill will really frost his chaps.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 08:13 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
BOTTOM LINE: Bill Clinton is extraordinarily popular throughout the United States...and has favorability ratings in the mid to high 60's.

The people love him.

engineer
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 08:24 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
What's with the link to a two and a half year old article discussing a race from almost four years ago? This likely doesn't have a lot of bearing on what Clinton is doing today.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 08:56 am
And it's from The Daily News.

Joe(bleech)Nation
DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 09:04 am
@Joe Nation,
At least it's not World Nut Daily.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 09:28 am
@DrewDad,
thisclose.

Joe(heh)Nation
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 11:06 am
@DrewDad,
Dammit. I hate when I miss the chance for a good pun.

Whirled Nut Daily
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 04:07 pm
@engineer,
It was posted to simply explains the title of the thread. Nothing more.

Not to make too much of it now, but it could be that the disdain this comment reflects has been carried by Bill for the last fours year, and up until now.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2012 04:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Your bottom line (despite the caps) is really irrelvant to the topic at hand.

Clinton has been something of a rengade (in terms of the Obama campaign) and the fact that 60% of Americans view him favorably, hardly explains it..

I'm asking what's behind the forays off the reservation. What's he up to?

This is a criticism of the man or his presidency so you don't need to leap to his rescue.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 03:56 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Your bottom line (despite the caps) is really irrelvant to the topic at hand.


Your title is irrelevant to the topic apparently at hand, but that didn’t stop you from using it. And none of us faulted you for using it.

Quote:
Clinton has been something of a rengade (in terms of the Obama campaign) and the fact that 60% of Americans view him favorably, hardly explains it.


It may not explain it, but it felt good to mention it…just as it apparently felt good for you to suggest he would be getting us coffee.

Quote:
I'm asking what's behind the forays off the reservation. What's he up to?


No, Finn, I think that is not your objective at all. I suspect what you are doing is to attempt to denigrate Clinton…to make him seem “wrong” in some way for speaking his mind--for not marching in lock step with the administration.

Non-conservatives often refuse to march non-lockstep.

Conservatives ought to give it a try.

Quote:
This is a criticism of the man or his presidency so you don't need to leap to his rescue.

I suspect you left out a “not” in that sentence…and I will respondas though it were there:

The last thing in the world Bill Clinton needs is people coming to his rescue. He can handle himself about as deftly as anyone I’ve ever seen in public life.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 09:07 am
http://c8.nrostatic.com/uploaded/pic_related_060712_KC_0.jpg
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 09:21 am
Yeah, that Clinton is such a loose cannon he's almost a detriment to Obama...
If only the Democrats had a standout surrogate like Donald Trump to carry their banner. Oh, well.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 09:34 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Your title is irrelevant to the topic apparently at hand...

Not at all, it reflect's his animus towards Obama.

It may not explain it, but it felt good to mention it…just as it apparently felt good for you to suggest he would be getting us coffee.

See above

No, Finn, I think that is not your objective at all. I suspect what you are doing is to attempt to denigrate Clinton…to make him seem “wrong” in some way for speaking his mind--for not marching in lock step with the administration.

Non-conservatives often refuse to march non-lockstep.

Conservatives ought to give it a try.

Well, you're flat out wrong.

I like Clinton. I think he's a morally challenged individual, but there's a lot to like about him. He's very smart, he worked very hard, he (unlike Obama) is truly pragmatic, and he is undoubtedly charming. I voted for him and, although Democrats and liberals don't give the Republicans in Congress anywhere near enough credit for the accomplishments of those years, his presidency was successful.

Also contrary to your knee-jerk suspicion, I like the fact that he is speaking his mind (although I'm disappointed that he keeps "walking back," and apologizing for doing so).

His avid fans always like to point out what a brilliant politician he is (something with which I agree), It would be odd for them to deny that his clever political mind is at work here.





Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 09:40 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Frank Apisa wrote:

Your title is irrelevant to the topic apparently at hand...

Not at all, it reflect's his animus towards Obama.

It may not explain it, but it felt good to mention it…just as it apparently felt good for you to suggest he would be getting us coffee.

See above

No, Finn, I think that is not your objective at all. I suspect what you are doing is to attempt to denigrate Clinton…to make him seem “wrong” in some way for speaking his mind--for not marching in lock step with the administration.

Non-conservatives often refuse to march non-lockstep.

Conservatives ought to give it a try.

Well, you're flat out wrong.

I like Clinton. I think he's a morally challenged individual, but there's a lot to like about him. He's very smart, he worked very hard, he (unlike Obama) is truly pragmatic, and he is undoubtedly charming. I voted for him and, although Democrats and liberals don't give the Republicans in Congress anywhere near enough credit for the accomplishments of those years, his presidency was successful.

Also contrary to your knee-jerk suspicion, I like the fact that he is speaking his mind (although I'm disappointed that he keeps "walking back," and apologizing for doing so).

His avid fans always like to point out what a brilliant politician he is (something with which I agree), It would be odd for them to deny that his clever political mind is at work here.


That is very interesting. Thank you for sharing, Finn.


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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 09:46 am
@snood,
Clinton is a former president whose opinions still carry great weight with many Democrats.

Trump is a clown.

I don't believe you really think their comments have equal impact upon the respective candidates they (at least ostensibly) support. You might like to hope they do, but I don't believe you think they do. I could be wrong of course; you've allowed your politics to cloud your thinking before.

DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 10:11 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
After all the acrimony around the Republican primaries, I can see where you'd want to find some kind of crack to drive a wedge in among Democrats.

But it's pretty silly.

My guess is you'll point fingers saying, "SEE SEE! Not all Democrats love Obama!" while simultaneously trying to portray him as "Saint Obama that all Democrats revere."

You're just a joke at this point, Finn.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 10:45 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
You're just a joke at this point, Finn.


Well, jokes are usually expected to be funny. Of course, there is an hilarious irony in this:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
. . . you've allowed your politics to cloud your thinking before.


So, maybe you're right . . .
parados
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 10:46 am
@Setanta,
There's a storm a coming and Finn's going to rain all over you.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 11:14 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Clinton is a former president whose opinions still carry great weight with many Democrats.

Trump is a clown.

I don't believe you really think their comments have equal impact upon the respective candidates they (at least ostensibly) support. You might like to hope they do, but I don't believe you think they do. I could be wrong of course; you've allowed your politics to cloud your thinking before.




I know that Obama has chosen to let Clinton speak in his support and Romney has chosen to let Trump speak in his support. However their respective constituencies weigh the influences these proxies exert, who the candidates choose to let appear on their behalf is at least relevant, though I can understand why you wouldn't want to admit that little thing.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jun, 2012 10:56 pm
@DrewDad,
Think what you will
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