South Africa stops West Bank goods being labeled "made in Israel"

Lustig Andrei wrote:

What happened in 1966?

Plenty...Australia adopted decimal currency for instance.

But seriously, most peace proposals recommend Israel accept the borders it had prior to the six day war, which occurred in 1967.

In the six day war israel did so well that it ended up with a lot more territory than it began with. Some of this territory is still in dispute today.

Bet the Egyptians wish they never started that one!

Doesn't matter; they keep stealing Palestinian lands, and they don't have the freedom to move around in their own country. That's not a "democracy" by any stretch of that term.

Proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szp7hXBuTCw

Foofie wrote:

. . .since Hitler couldn't finish his job, the solution was to let the Jews have Israel, and maybe the Arabs will finish the job, in my opinion. That's not romantic either.

You're right. That's not romantic. That's paranoid.

You see, that's where we forever part company.

Israels actions deeply affect the rest of the world. The world does have the right to have opinions and to do what it can to effect change.

Your argument, apart from its emotional appeal, is no better than the US telling people they have no right to criticize US foreign policy becuause only the US knows what is best for it.

That would be like African leaders telling the world it had no right to have opinions or to attempt to effect change in their policies, even when they are slaughtering and oppressing large numbers of people, because Africa was once plundered for slaves.

Or Ireland claiming the same because it was oppressed by England.

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Being pro-Palestinean is an ethical way to be anti-Israel, without thinking one is anti-Semitic, in my opinion.

That's precisely what I meant in an earlier post here.
One of the usual smokescreen arguments to avoid addressing Palestinians' human rights.
How can you willfully not acknowledge that the rights of Palestinians have been abused in the West Bank? How much evidence of that do you need?
It has nothing to do with antisemitism.
It is about how the Palestinians have been treated by the occupying Israelis.

Yep...no argument there. And it's paranoia and chest beating from both sides that is so damaging.

Do you really support everything that Israel is doing Merry?

dlowan wrote:

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Foofie wrote:

. . .since Hitler couldn't finish his job, the solution was to let the Jews have Israel, and maybe the Arabs will finish the job, in my opinion. That's not romantic either.

You're right. That's not romantic. That's paranoid.

It's understandable paranoia though.

Thing is, dlowan, in this on-going argument I find myself more often siding with Foofie contra you. Unusual, but there it is. However, I can't let blatant conspiracy theory statements pass by. Not in my nature. Understandable or not, paranoia is paranoia.

Yah, good point about the "hour-glass" shape of Israel. Just on the off-chance that somebody might be interested in my own opinion on the whole matter (which I have so far not yet voiced), here it is:

The West Bank (so-called) is and of right ought to be a part of Israel. Jordan was called Transjordan until 66 years ago today (yup, May 25, 1946). It has no business claiming terrirory on the other side of the Jordan river. Jerusalem is, has always been and of right ought to be the capital of Israel.

That said, Israel has absolutely no business claiming anything approaching sovereignty or even control over the Gaza strip or, on the other end, the Golan Heights. Get the Israeli troops out of there and let the UN keep the peace.

Cool. I thought Jordan had renounced territorial "rights" after the six day war?

... They're doing what all settlers in countries like mine and yours for instance did. Displacing the indigenous population and claiming the land.