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Letter from Michael Moore to George "I'm a War President

 
 
Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 12:45 pm
An Open Letter from Michael Moore to George "I'm a War President!" Bush
February 11, 2004 (67th anniversary of the Great Flint Sit-Down Strike)

Dear Mr. Bush,

Thank you for providing the illegible Xeroxed partial payroll sheets (or whatever they were) yesterday covering a few of your days in the National Guard. Now we know that, not only didn't you complete your tour of duty, you were actually paid for work you never did. Did you cash those checks? Wouldn't that be, um, illegal?

Watching the press aggressively demand the truth from your press secretary -- and refusing to accept the deceit, the dodging, and the cover-up -- was a sight to behold, something we really haven't seen since you took office (to watch or listen to the entire press conference, or to read the full transcript, go here).

More than one reporter pointed out that those pieces of paper your press secretary waved at them yesterday mean nothing. Even if they aren't forged documents, getting paid does not necessarily mean you showed up to do your duties. As retired Army Col. Dan Smith, a 26-year veteran, told the AP:



"Pay records don't mean anything except that you're in or you're out," said Smith. "It doesn't necessarily reflect what duty you've actually performed because pay records simply record your unit of assignment and then all of your pay and benefits per pay period."

Mr. Bush, this issue is not going to go away -- and I think yesterday's actions just dug you into a deeper hole. You're probably wondering why the heck this story won't just die. You probably thought that after I brought it up last month and then got slammed by Peter Jennings for uttering the "d" word, the whole matter would just disappear as fast as bag of blow being thrown out the window of a speeding car on a deserted Maine highway.

But your "desertion" didn't go away -- and here's the reason why. You have sent countless numbers of our sons and daughters in the National Guard to their deaths in the last 11 months. You did this while misleading their parents and the nation with bogus lies about weapons of mass destruction and scary phony Saddam ties to al Qaeda. You sent them off to a never-ending war so that your benefactors at Halliburton and the oil companies could line their pockets. And then you had the audacity to prance around in a soldier's uniform on an aircraft carrier proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" -- while the cameras from your re-election campaign ad agency rolled.

THAT is what makes this whole business of you being AWOL so despicable, and makes the grief-stricken relatives want to turn away from you in disgust. The reason your skipping-out on your enlistment didn't matter in the 2000 election was because we were not at war. Being stuck in a deadly, daily quagmire now in 2004 makes your military history-fiction and your fly-boy costume VERY relevant.

You still have not answered the questions surrounding your National Guard "service." Let me repeat them as simply as I can for you (all of them based on the investigative work of the Associated Press and the Boston Globe):

1. How were you able to jump ahead of 500 other applicants to get into the Texas Air National Guard, thus guaranteeing you would not have to go to Vietnam? What calls did your father (who was then a United States Congressman representing Texas) make on your behalf for you to get this assignment?

2. Why were you grounded (not allowed to fly) after you either failed your physical or failed to take it in July 1972? Was there a reason you were afraid to take the physical? Or, did you take it and not pass it? If so, why didn't you pass it? Was it the urine test? The records show that, after the Guard spent years and lots of money training you to be a pilot, you never flew for the rest of your time in the Guard. Why?

3. Can you produce one person who can verify that he served with you in the Guard during the year that your Texas commanders said you did not show up? Why have you failed to bring forth anyone who served with you in the Guard while you were in Alabama? Why hasn't ONE SINGLE PERSON come forward?

4. Can you tell us what you did when you claim to have shown up in Alabama for Guard duty? What were you duties? You were grounded, so what did they have you do instead?

5. Where are the sign-up sheets that would have your name and service number on them for each weekend you showed up? Aaron Brown on CNN told us how, when he was in the reserves, he had to sign in each time he reported, and his guest from the Washington Post said, that's right, and there would be "four copies of that record" in the files of various agencies. Will you ask those agencies to release those records?

6. If you were in fact paid for that time when you apparently went AWOL, will you authorize the IRS to release your 1972-73 tax returns?



7. How did you get an honorable discharge? What strings were pulled? Who called who?

Look, I'm sorry to have put you through all this. I was just goofing around when I made that comment about wanting to see a debate between the general and the deserter. I had no idea that it would lead to this. And there you were, having to suffer through Tim Russert on Sunday, saying weird things like "I'm a war president!" I guess you believe that, or you want us to believe that. Americans have never voted out a Commander-in-Chief during a war. I guess that's what you're hoping for. You need the war.

But we don't. And our troops in the National Guard don't either. I know you see the writing on the wall, so why not come clean now? We are a forgiving people, and though you will not be returned to White House, you will find us grateful for a little bit of truth. Answer our questions, apologize to the nation, and bring our kids home.

Yours,

Michael Moore
[email protected]

www.michaelmoore.com
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 12:56 pm
Micheal Moore is an ass.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 01:03 pm
Invective McGentrix, does not answer the questions.
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Heywood
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 01:37 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Micheal Moore is an ass.


Mc, thats just the kind of attitude that makes us (or at least me) laugh at you. I think Moore brought up some VERY relevant issues here.

I'd love to see your response to them. Take it apart like you do with other people's posts and nitpick the piece (feel free to add your little smart ass comments if you'd like, just address the points as well).

I doubt you or any other conservative will. Know why? Because Moore, at least in regard to this piece, is right on the money.

That one aspect that each time Bush was to show up there would be 4 copies of that form in various agencies is particularly relevant to me. If this is the case, I want to see some proof.

Bush is dancing around the issue like Michael Jackson on (Bush's) coke. The lie is falling apart around him, and I think its about damn time.
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 01:39 pm
Michael Moore doesn't deserve any answers and he couldn't care less if he got them or not. He's only out to be a pain in Bush's rump.
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Heywood
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 01:46 pm
fishin' wrote:
Michael Moore doesn't deserve any answers...


Fine, maybe he doesn't. But I sure as hell think that the families of the over 500 dead soldiers do, as do the American populace at large.

This is hilarious. Hard core Bush lovers have ABSOLUTELY no good answers to the questions posed, so it immediately becomes an attack on Moore.

Such integrity! Rolling Eyes
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 01:54 pm
It's pretty well known that Micheal Moore is an ass. It's common knowledge. I was simply pointing out the fact that he continues to prove what most people know.

Imagine me pointing to a Rush Limbuagh story regarding Bill Clinton and asking you to answer his questions...what would be the point?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 02:22 pm
It's the "knowledge" of the common mind.
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 02:26 pm
Heywood wrote:
fishin' wrote:
Michael Moore doesn't deserve any answers...


Fine, maybe he doesn't. But I sure as hell think that the families of the over 500 dead soldiers do, as do the American populace at large.

This is hilarious. Hard core Bush lovers have ABSOLUTELY no good answers to the questions posed, so it immediately becomes an attack on Moore.

Such integrity! Rolling Eyes


Based on your previous posts you're hardly in a position to lecture anyone on integrity. Rolling Eyes
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Heywood
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 02:57 pm
Mc, Lets just pretend someone other than Moore asked these questions, Ok? Doesn't change the fact that Bush lovers fall flat on their face in trying to find valid answer. And if Rush Limbaugh asked a solid question about Clinton, I'd respect that. A question is a question.

and fish, you'll find nothing less than total honesty in any/all of my previous posts. Maybe you should try re-reading them. Vague assults on my character are not appreciated.

But not to take away from the original post:

We are STILL waiting for a substantial defense to the questions that Moore has posted from anyone who thinks they can answer them....
(lets be honest, though.... we probably won't get any)
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pistoff
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 03:19 pm
Legitimate questions
Since GW Bush declared that he is a war Pres. and has invaded two countries, killed thousands by his orders, the relevance of his military service is germaine. It matters not who exactly is asking relevant questions, what matters is relevant truthful answers.
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El-Diablo
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 03:21 pm
Bush is probably a crummy guy. Most politicians are. IS there some surprise? I'm a conservative and personally I hate Michael Moore. Sure this article may bring up some points but so what? I persopnally dont care if my president avoided a war when he was young or drunk and drove when he was twenty. I worry more about the more serious acts *cough*Clinton*cough*.

Also, I would like to add that I'm not a total BUsh supporter. If it were up to me id like to elect a differetn republican president.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 08:01 pm
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'Bush and I were lieutenants'
George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj. William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch.
It is quite frustrating to hear the daily cacophony from the left and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, et al., about Lt. Bush escaping his military responsibilities by hiding in the Texas ANG. In the Air Guard during the Vietnam War, you were always subject to call-up, as many Air National Guardsmen are finding out today. If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.
The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and the airplane it possessed, the F-102, was air defense. It was focused on defending the continental United States from Soviet nuclear bombers. The F-102 could not drop bombs and would have been useless in Vietnam. A pilot program using ANG volunteer pilots in F-102s (called Palace Alert) was scrapped quickly after the airplane proved to be unsuitable to the war effort. Ironically, Lt. Bush did inquire about this program but was advised by an ANG supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell, retired) that he did not have the desired experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.
If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.
The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore.
Sadly, few of today's partisan pundits know anything about the environment of service in the Reserves in the 1970s. The image of a reservist at that time is of one who joined, went off for six months' basic training, then came back and drilled weekly or monthly at home, with two weeks of "summer camp." With the knowledge that Mr. Johnson and Mr. McNamara were not going to call out the Reserves, it did become a place of refuge for many wanting to avoid Vietnam.
There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.
The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life.
Critics such as Mr. Kerry (who served in Vietnam, you know), Terry McAuliffe and Michael Moore (neither of whom served anywhere) say Lt. Bush abandoned his assignment as a jet fighter pilot without explanation or authorization and was AWOL from the Alabama Air Guard.
Well, as for abandoning his assignment, this is untrue. Lt. Bush was excused for a period to take employment in Florida for a congressman and later in Alabama for a Senate campaign.
Excusals for employment were common then and are now in the Air Guard, as pilots frequently are in career transitions, and most commanders (as I later was) are flexible in letting their charges take care of career affairs until they return or transfer to another unit near their new employment. Sometimes they will transfer temporarily to another unit to keep them on the active list until they can return home. The receiving unit often has little use for a transitory member, especially in a high-skills category like a pilot, because those slots usually are filled and, if not filled, would require extensive conversion training of up to six months, an unlikely option for a temporary hire.
As a commander, I would put such "visitors" in some minor administrative post until they went back home. There even were a few instances when I was unaware that they were on my roster because the paperwork often lagged. Today, I can't even recall their names. If a Lt. Bush came into my unit to "pull drills" for a couple of months, I wouldn't be too involved with him because I would have a lot more important things on my table keeping the unit combat ready.
Another frequent charge is that, as a member of the Texas ANG, Lt. Bush twice ignored or disobeyed lawful orders, first by refusing to report for a required physical in the year when drug testing first became part of the exam, and second by failing to report for duty at the disciplinary unit in Colorado to which he had been ordered. Well, here are the facts:
First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month's weekend drill assembly ?- the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc.
If so, the pilot is grounded temporarily until he completes the physical. Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user.
Second, there was no such thing as a "disciplinary unit in Colorado" to which Lt. Bush had been ordered. The Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver is a repository of the paperwork for those no longer assigned to a specific unit, such as retirees and transferees. Mine is there now, so I guess I'm "being disciplined." These "disciplinary units" just don't exist. Any discipline, if required, is handled within the local squadron, group or wing, administratively or judicially. Had there been such an infraction or court-martial action, there would be a record and a reflection in Lt. Bush's performance review and personnel folder. None exists, as was confirmed in The Washington Post in 2000.
Finally, the Kerrys, Moores and McAuliffes are casting a terrible slander on those who served in the Guard, then and now. My Guard career parallels Lt. Bush's, except that I stayed on for 33 years. As a guardsman, I even got to serve in two campaigns. In the Cold War, the air defense of the United States was borne primarily by the Air National Guard, by such people as Lt. Bush and me and a lot of others. Six of those with whom I served in those years never made their 30th birthdays because they died in crashes flying air-defense missions.
While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and Iraq.
It didn't happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir of Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed they were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and citizen ?- then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him to serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would that Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague senators and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.
In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are starting to get out of hand and it's time to stop and reset before disaster strikes. We say, "Knock it off." So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to slander the Guard: Knock it off.

COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired)
U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard
Herndon, Va.5


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pistoff
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 08:22 pm
Suck-up
Nowhere in that suck-up diatribe does it say the Dubya was actually there. The real topic should be: Cocaine arrest and refusal to take the reqauired physical in that same time frame.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 09:31 pm
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While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico


That would have been the North Vietnamese airforce attacking the continental United States?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 09:56 pm
Hey, Michael Moore isn't asking the questions, I am asking the goddamned questions here and I want to know where the hell he was every goddamned day of 1972 and 1973. Okay? I want to know because about sixteen of my best friends are on the goddamned wall, okay? So I care whether this guy who lands on carriers is the same guy who skated through while the rest of us slobs took it up the ass for our country. Okay? This is about what we do as citizens for our nation. Show me the time served and you earn my respect, slide by while the rest of us die and you'll get nothing from me, not even the time of day.

Joe Nation
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2004 11:27 pm
Actually, Moore is wrong, many of us are not forgiving. I want Bush in jail for treason, with a large cellmate, and no lube.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2004 01:23 am
Ouch! You want him to put on a more pained expression than when being interviewed by Russert?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2004 01:26 am
(I thought the butt plug he must wear to account for his curious strutting style of walk had gone astray, perhaps entering his brain).
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 12 Feb, 2004 01:57 am
I thought it was haemorrhoids, from having his head so far....
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