IS RUSH A CONSERVATIVE?? WHAT DOES HE CONSERVE?

You're quite happy to bet other people's lives on the ridiculous notion
the world will be made safer by invading Iran.

It won't, it will be made less safer, less safer for Americans, less safer for New Yorkers.
It's the wrong call to make.

Iran is losing influence hand over fist, let it run out of steam, don't lend the clerics credibility.

David, why are you so horrified by the prospect of Iran having nuclear weapons,
but at the same time quite relaxed about North Korea having them?

Yeah; It was a "ridiculous notion" that the Japs 'd bomb Pearl Harbor

or that the Moslems 'd bomb the World Trade Center.

The White House had (at least ) 28 Advanced Intelligence Warnings Prior to 9/11

Compiled by Eric Smith

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SMI402A.html

Yeah; It was a "ridiculous notion" that the Japs 'd bomb Pearl Harbor

Actually it was well known with a small circle.

or that the Moslems 'd bomb the World Trade Center.

You not only had a war criminal in office in George jr,

Om, you had an idiot, too.

Yoiu see, they're really not all that concerned about sacrificing a good number of OmSig's.

The White House had (at least ) 28 Advanced Intelligence Warnings Prior to 9/11

Compiled by Eric Smith

...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SMI402A.html

I tend to agree with u, J.
Is this the first time that I 've said that ?

Are 18th Century views that relevant in the 21st Century?

Jefferson's views on slavery spring to mind.

The Cubans liberated themselves back in the 50's.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

A conservative is a man who rigidly adheres to the filosofy
that the Founders set forth in the US Constitution,
including its Bill of Rights,
and who does not deviate therefrom.

that really doesn't make any sense. The "founders" were not conservatives, they were revolutionaries. They advocated change.

The thought that they imagined the U.S. remaining stagnant over the centuries is truly odd.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Because thay r fanatical Moslems that hate us,
ergo: 9/11/1. That was bad enuf, without going nuclear.

Maybe they'd hate America just a little less if, back in the 1950s, the CIA hadn't helped overthrow Persia's democratically-elected government and help install a tyrant, the shah. I suspect that all that American freedom-talk must be ringing hollow to them.

I also think Ron Paul has a good point: the bad guys America tries to quash in its current meddlings tend to be the unintended consequences of America's past meddlings. (See Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, all armed and made more dangerous by the US.)

9/11 was an embarrassment of America's national security more than anything else. It didn't even make a dent in America's 2001 murder rate. Not worth giving up ones libertarian principles over.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

Why do you suppose they hate us?

For the same reason as 1,OOO years ago.
Thay r moven by their religion to conquer the world,
like the nazis & the commies wanted, but we stand in their way.

David

Their hatred stems from something much more recent. We tried to conquer them first.

Shouldn't we shout mea culpa and redress our wrongdoing against them?

Accordingly, I wish the Jews very GOOD LUCK and 1OO% success
in taking out those nuclear facilities, as soon as possible.
As an American, I also wish to apologize to them
for any restraint upon them by obama.





David

Beyond that, Mr. Obama said that administration and intelligence officials — in the United States and in Israel — believe that Iran has not acquired a nuclear weapon yet, and that there is still time for sanctions to force the Iranian regime to give up any weapons program it might have. “At this stage it is my belief we have a window of opportunity,” Mr. Obama said.

“And so this notion that somehow we have a choice to make in the next week or two weeks or month or two months is not borne out by the facts,” the president said.

He repeated a pledge he made on Sunday when he addressed the Aipac pro-Israel conference, that he would not “countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon, adding, “My policy is not containment.”

earlier today I found a poll which said most Israelis do not want war with Iran, I can't find a more recent poll of Americans but in November, 85% of Americans were against war with Iran.

Poll: Israeli Public Don’t want War with Iran

Poll: 85% of Americans against Iran war

The Cubans liberated themselves back in the 50's.

Not to sound like JTT, but aren't we the only country who has used nuclear weapons in wartime?

It's also worth bearing in mind that since the revolution Iran hasn't attacked anyone.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

Their hatred stems from something much more recent.
We tried to conquer them first.

Specify when n where, please ?

David

When we overthrew their government and installed a son-of-a bitch of ours, the Shah.

Quote:

I like to keep an open mind.
I don 't oppose dialog,
but let 's put out the fire first.

According to the US' spooks, there is no fire to put out first.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I like to keep an open mind.
I don 't oppose dialog,
but let 's put out the fire first.

Dave, do you honestly think a strike on Iran would put a fire out? Are you mad? A strike on Iran will do a lot of things, but it's not going to put out any fires.

It might start a few though. Remember how attacking Saddam Hussein was such a good thing? Now Iran is controlling a lot of what's going on in Iraq.