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IS RUSH A CONSERVATIVE?? WHAT DOES HE CONSERVE?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 10:47 am
@revelette,
You don't sound like JTT. It's also worth bearing in mind that since the revolution Iran hasn't attacked anyone. If not saying they've not been behind some pretty shady shenanigans, but that's not the same as threatening invasion.

The real threat about Iran getting the bomb isn't about war with Israel, but Saudi Arabia's role as the Gulf superpower. It could start an arms race and a cold war between two powers driven by religious difference is a lot more dangerous than the Capitalism/Communism ideological divide. The Shia Ayatollah Khamenei, believes he is the voice of God, and Saudi's Wahhabist version of Sunni Islam is one of the most extreme there is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi
mismi
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 11:36 am
@Rockhead,
Quote:
Rush is a vicious windbag that makes his money by fanning the fears and prejudices of the weak minded and racially biased among us.


Which pretty much covers most of the media. It sells ads.

I don't like Rush -never really have. I see that he works hard to stir up controversy. But we seem to love that as whole. It's why he's been doing what he is doing as long as he has. I am pretty sure that the "dittoheads" have greatly declined. At least I hope so. Even though I am conservative I see that he is radically ridiculous. But money is the bottom line for that.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 11:41 am
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

Quote:
President Obama challenged his Republican critics to make a case to the American people for a military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities if they really believe that that is the right course to follow, throwing down an election-year challenge to the men who are vying to succeed him and who say that his Iran policy has been too weak.

“This is not a game,” Mr. Obama said during a news conference at the White House timed to coincide with Super Tuesday voting in the Republican primaries in a number of crucial states. Mr. Obama gave a staunch defense of his administration’s actions to rein in Iran’s nuclear ambitions and said tough sanctions put in place by the United States and Europe were starting to work and were part of the reason Iran had returned to the negotiation table.

“The one thing we have not done is we have not launched a war,” Mr. Obama said. “If some of these folks think we should launch a war, let them say so, and explain to the American people.”

Mr. Obama’s comments followed speeches Tuesday morning at the conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, during which Rick Santorum derided the negotiations with Iran as “another appeasement, another delay, another opportunity for them to go forward while we talk,” and Mitt Romney, before the same group, said, “Hope is not a foreign policy.” Mr. Romney added, “The only thing respected by thugs and tyrants is our resolve, backed by our power and our readiness to use it.”

Mr. Obama hit back hard. “There’s no doubt that those who are suggesting, or proposing, or beating the drums of war, should explain clearly to the American people what the costs and benefits would be,” he said, reflecting a belief within the administration and the Obama campaign that Americans, after a decade of war in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, are fed up with conflict if it can be avoided through diplomacy and economic pressure.

Beyond that, Mr. Obama said that administration and intelligence officials — in the United States and in Israel — believe that Iran has not acquired a nuclear weapon yet, and that there is still time for sanctions to force the Iranian regime to give up any weapons program it might have. “At this stage it is my belief we have a window of opportunity,” Mr. Obama said.

“And so this notion that somehow we have a choice to make in the next week or two weeks or month or two months is not borne out by the facts,” the president said.

He repeated a pledge he made on Sunday when he addressed the Aipac pro-Israel conference, that he would not “countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon, adding,
“My policy is not containment.”
O, yeah?? Talk is cheap.
Let 's see u walk the talk
and DO the job of the Presidency.




revelette wrote:
earlier today I found a poll which said most Israelis do not want war with Iran, I can't find a more recent poll of Americans but in November, 85% of Americans were against war with Iran.
On 9/10/1, a lot MORE Americans, including New Yorkers,
woud have opposed going to war against the Moslems.

I 'm getting tired of Pearl Harbors and 9/11s.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 11:57 am
@mismi,
mismi wrote:

Quote:
Rush is a vicious windbag that makes his money by fanning the fears and prejudices of the weak minded and racially biased among us.


Which pretty much covers most of the media. It sells ads.

I don't like Rush -never really have. I see that he works hard to stir up controversy. But we seem to love that as whole. It's why he's been doing what he is doing as long as he has. I am pretty sure that the "dittoheads" have greatly declined. At least I hope so. Even though I am conservative I see that he is radically ridiculous. But money is the bottom line for that.
I am skeptical that George Washington, James Madison & Patrick Henry woud agree
much with Rush 's rather authoritarian inclinations. Thay were freedom-lovers,
hence: the American Revolution.

THEIR filosofy, set forth in the US Constitution,
& Patrick Henry's LIBERTY or DEATH filosofy,
is what is sought to be conserved, kept, manifested,
implimented & practiced now in modern government.

Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona is the father of modern Conservatism.
I cannot and do not believe that his filosofy is well expressed by Rush;
maybe about 6O% to 7O%, but Rush has probably done more good than harm.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 12:03 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:
Not to sound like JTT, but aren't we the only country
who has used nuclear weapons in wartime?
No, we R.

Is there anything rong with that??

( Note that the Japs attacked on a Sunday morning in PEACEtime. )





David







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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 12:27 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona is the father of modern Conservatism.


that may be possible, but his views do not represent many current American conservatives or American Republicans

American politics has moved on. America is a country of change, not stagnation.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 01:15 pm
@ehBeth,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona is the father of modern Conservatism.
ehBeth wrote:
that may be possible, but his views do not represent many current American conservatives or American Republicans

American politics has moved on. America is a country of change, not stagnation.
As ice is constituted of water,
government in America is CONSTITUTED of the US Constitution.
That is government 's legitimacy, its foundation, and the Instrument of its Creation,
by the citizens. Those orthodox citizens who adhere to it faithfully, literally, rigidly
and without deviation nor distortion thereof r conservatives.
Those who deviate from it, who distort it, r liberals.

The Founders were NOT theocrats.
Thay did NOT commission an instrument of theocracy.
Therefore, theocrats such as Pat Robertson n Santorum r liberals.

The Constitution was and remains the social and the political contract.
Its limits on the powers of government remain intact,
unless by corruption, thay r disregarded, with the same legitimacy
as bank clerks looting the vault, on their way home.

Like the principles of arithmetic,
the principles of the Constitution do not change, regardless of stagnation.
U can accuse the multiplication table or long division of being stagnant if u wanna.

Real conservatives r those who stand up for the real historical,
political truth of what happened, what was actually agreed, as amended since, per Article 5.





David
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mismi
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 01:20 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Rush has probably done more good than harm


Really? I think he is like reading a tabloid magazine...if he hits on truth - it's accidental. He is mainly all about being "controversial".

I pretty much blow on past him whenever I hear of something he says.

If I am going to stop and listen to anyone in the entertainment media (when it comes to politics) it would be Jon Stewart...or somebody like that. At least he seems to blast both sides. He is an equal opportunity heckler. I appreciate that since I can see that both sides can be equally ridiculous.

Rush is off the charts though.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 01:35 pm
@mismi,
I very seldom hear his show,
but in my opinion, he tries to be factually accurate,
so far as I know. A lot of the time, I don 't care much for what he says, from what I hear, indirectly.

Yet, he HAS been helpful in exposing some of the
corruptive distortions of liberalism. THAT 's a good thing.





David
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 01:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
factually correct?

like when he called that girl a slut...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 01:38 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Or does he sometimes say things you just want to hear, and want to believe?
mismi
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 01:42 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
factually correct?

like when he called that girl a slut...


Who knows? Regardless of whether she is or not...
He said it to rile folks.

I am pretty sure he didn't have investigators go find out for sure before he cast it across the airwaves though. He has a talk show - the more he says that gets people stirred up the more people call in.

People say mean things about people everyday. Should they? Nope.

But it doesn't usually stop them.
mismi
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 01:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I very seldom hear his show


To be fair and honest - I don't either. Only if I am in the car channel surfing. But I have heard enough of him to know what his bottom line is.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 01:44 pm
@mismi,
Rush is a professional turd.

I hope he loses the rest of his advertisers and goes quietly into the night.

prolly wishful thinking...
mismi
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 01:46 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
Rush is a professional turd.

I hope he loses the rest of his advertisers and goes quietly into the night.

prolly wishful thinking...


That paints a pretty picture. Laughing

If nothing else, hopefully it will cause others to be more responsible with their nyah nyah.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 05:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Their hatred stems from something much more recent.
We tried to conquer them first.
Specify when n where, please ?

David

When we overthrew their government and installed a son-of-a bitch of ours, the Shah.

Subsequently, Israel helped the SOB opress his own people.

Quote:
I like to keep an open mind.
I don 't oppose dialog,
but let 's put out the fire first.

According to the US' spooks, there is no fire to put out first.



izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 06:25 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I like to keep an open mind.
I don 't oppose dialog,
but let 's put out the fire first.


Dave, do you honestly think a strike on Iran would put a fire out? Are you mad? A strike on Iran will do a lot of things, but it's not going to put out any fires. It might start a few though. Remember how attacking Saddam Hussein was such a good thing? Now Iran is controlling a lot of what's going on in Iraq. God knows what the consequences of attacking Iran would be. It might even unite the Moslem world, now there's a thought.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 06:51 am
@izzythepush,
DAVID wrote:
I like to keep an open mind.
I don 't oppose dialog,
but let 's put out the fire first.
izzythepush wrote:
Dave, do you honestly think a strike on Iran would put a fire out?
Well, if its a good strike, then yes; we might need
more than 1 strike; possibly an infantry raid.



izzythepush wrote:
Are you mad?
No, but I got a little annoyed on 9/11/1. To tell u the truth,
I was a bit surprized when it happened. ( I was not expecting it. )
My ex-girlfriend, Jane, was upset about it. She was nowhere near it.
A lot of New Yorkers got mad about it.
For sure, as of 9/12/1, there were more American Flags
than I had ever seen, mounted on cars; ( I 'd never seen THAT b4.)
I inferred lust for vengeance from that.



izzythepush wrote:
A strike on Iran will do a lot of things,
but it's not going to put out any fires.
That assertion is incorrect,
if such strikes competently destroy Persia 's nuclear development facilities.
If thay don 't then we 'll have to go back n do the job right.





izzythepush wrote:
It might start a few though.
Remember how attacking Saddam Hussein was such a good thing?
Yes. W was too slow to start that project
and too slow to stop it, but I 'm very relieved to be rid of Saddam.
He was a homicidal maniac, with a grudge against us, for Kuwait.




izzythepush wrote:
Now Iran is controlling a lot of what's going on in Iraq.
God knows what the consequences of attacking Iran would be.
It might even unite the Moslem world, now there's a thought.
No matter what: we gotta take care of business.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 06:57 am
@InfraBlue,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Their hatred stems from something much more recent.
We tried to conquer them first.
Specify when n where, please ?

David

When we overthrew their government and installed a son-of-a bitch of ours, the Shah.

Subsequently, Israel helped the SOB opress his own people.

Quote:
I like to keep an open mind.
I don 't oppose dialog,
but let 's put out the fire first.
I don 't wanna bet my life on those opinions.
We need to do the job sooner or later.
We might as well get it done.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 07:01 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Or does he sometimes say things you just want to hear, and want to believe?
I can 't think of anything like that, offhand,
but he was good on the Clinton impeachment. I liked that.





David
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