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Write to the American Catholic Bishops...

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 03:09 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
None at all I should imagine Dave.

But you ought to know that it is extremely doubtful
that you could entertain such personal indulgencies
if everyone took the same position. [ ???? ]

What good did posting that do you?
It was an effort to satisfy my curiosity.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 03:13 pm
@Joe Nation,
I like your new avatar. Its better.





David
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 03:46 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Thank you, David, I think your would make a wonder board game.

Joe(you have to stop on every triangle and the center of every square.)Nation
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 03:54 pm
@Joe Nation,
I did not like the last one.
I thawt that u looked better in the one b4 that,
but this one is the best.

R u accusing me of OCD ??





David
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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 07:15 pm
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147/panzade/definition-of-irony-irony-religious.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 07:26 pm
@panzade,
Now, that's a good one! They also know how to divert issues away from themselves.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 08:35 pm
@panzade,
Well, that's it in a nugget, eh?

The whole place is taffy and long has been, but from my reading, the ballooning worldwideness (more righty cardinals I get to pick and like!!) is just another sign that there is no there, there.

Or, there is an orchestrated there. The right wing cardinal build up has been going on for quite a while.


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chai2
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 09:26 pm
@PUNKEY,
PUNKEY wrote:

And the American church is quite different from what's in Rome. Catholic women are some of the strongest willed I've seen. Most don't pay any attention to the Church on birth control.


What do you mean?

Neither Italian or American women give a fig about what the church says about birth control.

Now, Mexico is another story, but I think that's more of a male driven thing personally.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 09:40 pm
@chai2,
This is true for women interviewed by interviewers, but relatively recent and forward women, depending on what village you are in, may talk.

You think mexico is more male driven than italy?
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 09:59 pm
@ossobuco,
I meant that the fact Mexican women have more babies is more male driven than pope driven.

Per the CIA World Factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

The 2012 estimate for births per women are:

Mexico - 2.27 (83.4% of pop. is catholic)
USA - 2.06 (23.9% of pop. is catholic)
Italy - 1.40 (90% of pop. is catholic)

So, 2 countries with largely catholic population, and one has .87 more children.

The pope sure ain't making the decisions.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 10:12 pm
@chai2,
Here's another interesting info on fertility. It seems Africa has the highest fertility rates.

From Wiki:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/350px-Countriesbyfertilityratesvg.png
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 10:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah, and they're not even cat licks

I've read that in some African countries women put a lot of pressure on each other to have a lot of children, as in "What? You only have 4!?"

The countries with the most children per women are the underdevloped ones.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2012 10:34 pm
@chai2,
Ah.
Thanks.
Part of my view is that male driven is via the pope. I do have a clue that culture is part of this.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 2 Mar, 2012 08:42 am
@chai2,
Quote:
Neither Italian or American women give a fig about what the church says about birth control.


They are certainly nervous about it whether for moral reasons or because they have seen a lot of scare stories.

Those who have moral reasons make their own arrangements. They are simply being encouraged to avoid going about declaring to others that they don't give a fig about it as if it's a clever thing to say on social occasions. Or blaring it over loud-speakers. It's the sort of thing a respectable lady would be discreet about.

It's a sort of collective giant insult to men.

Is there anything else these ladies don't give a fig about?

George Bernard Shaw did prophesy that if women were given the vote we would all end up talking about ovaries. And here we are. GBS wasn't taking a position about the matter. Whether it was a good thing or not. Neither am I as long as one part of the pub is reserved for those who want to talk about something else. But that can't be done these days, except for toilets and other places where naughty flesh might be exposed, changing rooms in dress shops for example, so we achieve it extra-legally by growling and smelling a bit. Bad language doesn't work anymore.

Ovaries are hot button news these days. Thousands of people writing to Catholic Bishops about ovaries. As if Catholic Bishops don't know anything about the subject. Germaine Greer called the Catholic Church a fertility machine. Years and years ago.

So also is the fiscal operation.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 2 Mar, 2012 10:01 am
@cicerone imposter,
There's a little blip of fertility up there in the Middle East somewhere too. I wonder who that is?

Where did you get this graphic, is there more detail to it?
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 2 Mar, 2012 10:10 am
@cicerone imposter,
But various aspects of Malthusian corrections are available in those red zones.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Mar, 2012 10:39 am
I really cannot understand the comfort level of Catholic laity with the fact that the Catholic Church, in addition to being followers of Christ, is a world-wide organization where decisions are made in a top down hierarchical fashion?

Considering there is more than one brand of Christianity that seems to be surviving without all the organization, what is it that makes people who subscribe to the Catholic faith so loyal to an organization that is man made?

Or, is it the fact that such an organization supposedly can control its adherents better than a faith that doesn't have such organization?

By the way, regardless of the fact that there are some important urban centers that do have a large Catholic number of adherents, who for all intensive purposes are "top dog" in the local politics, and other temporal endeavors, the U.S. is still a white Protestant nation, regardless of whether that is politically incorrect to mention.

If one can make a good argument for banning birth control, based on the sanctity of life, I would accept it; however, basing an argument on the dictums/dogma of a church that seems to have a kingdom on Earth, as well as a kingdom in Heaven, just alienates me that much more from the occasional Catholic person that I perceive cannot hide his/her hubris on the supposed monopoly on truth of their "correct" faith.

Mind you, I have no problems with Christianity. If I am coming back in another life, I would prefer it to be as a small town Methodist. My point is, I would prefer a brand of Christianity that doesn't think the world needs correction under its tutelage. Something very American and like mom's apple pie.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 2 Mar, 2012 10:53 am

Tho I hold Joe in the highest esteem, I remain unclear
qua what good I can expect from executing his advice on this particular point.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 2 Mar, 2012 11:01 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Maybe you should stick a bullet in the envelope.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 2 Mar, 2012 11:58 am
@rosborne979,
ros, It's at Wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate
 

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