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The 'Holy Ghost'; He, She...or "It"?

 
 
MadJW
 
Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 09:00 pm
Jesus referred to it as "that One".
Was he referring to another God?
1/3 God?

Or something ELSE?
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2019 02:39 am
@MadJW,
Shall I ask one of those well dressed women handing out expensively produced JW propoganda booklets near the local rail station, in sight of the homeless tramp ?
MadJW
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2019 07:04 pm
@fresco,
If you don't know- why not?
fresco
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 01:59 am
@MadJW,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tjHlFPTwVk

I suggest you ask Eccles !
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Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 12:06 pm
@MadJW,
You have to quote chapter and verse or we don't know what you are talking about.
fresco
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 12:22 pm
@Jewels Vern,
He's talking about his issues with 'the magic number 3' which is a component of several religious mythologies, Christianity beyind no exception. Note that 'chapter and verse' is another form of magic....the word mqgic of so called 'holy writ',
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 12:56 pm
I was taught in the '50s that the triune god was the Daddio, the Laddio and the Holy Spook. Is that who we're talking about?
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 06:21 pm
@Setanta,
DONCHA BE PISSIN ME OFF MICK!

Im mostly vengefull ya know

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 08:09 pm
The Holy Ghost is gender non-binary.... I think the proper pronouns in 21st century American English are They/Them.

The polite thing to do is to ask Them what pronouns They prefer.
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MadJW
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 08:42 pm
@Jewels Vern,
John 17:3- Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the >>> only <<< true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 10:41 am
@MadJW,
"John 17:3- Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the >>> only <<< true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

Ok, that is clear to me. The only problem is when people read something in that is not there.

We call a spirit "he" because we have no other pronoun for the purpose.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 12:41 pm
Well, there is the pronoun "it," which, conveniently, rhymes with bullsh*t.
MadJW
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 09:11 am
@Jewels Vern,
"We call a spirit "he" because we have no other pronoun for the purpose."

The Hebrew and Greek words used mean "breath" or "wind"; unseen forces.
Jesus referred to the One SENDING it, who also IS a "spirit" being, not a HUMAN being.

God pours His breath (spirit) out, fills people with it, CALLS it "it", divides it into portions (Num 11), and His spirit was in Job's nose!

MadJW
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 09:13 am
@Jewels Vern,
"We call a spirit "he" because we have no other pronoun for the purpose."

"Spirit" is how the biblical words used are translated- but here's the BUT: they ONLY mean "breath" or "wind"- to denote an unseen force or power.

Jesus referred to the One ACTING thru that POWER.
vikorr
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 02:31 pm
@MadJW,
Out of curiosity, do you think that God is an embodied being?

I'm presuming by your posts that you think he is, but I'm not certain of that. If he does have a body, having created the universe, what size do you think it is? Holding all that power, do you think his body is fully solid, or misty (the next stage being, once again, non-corporeal)
MadJW
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 02:59 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

Out of curiosity, do you think that God is an embodied being?

I'm presuming by your posts that you think he is, but I'm not certain of that. If he does have a body, having created the universe, what size do you think it is? Holding all that power, do you think his body is fully solid, or misty (the next stage being, once again, non-corporeal)


Thanks for asking- and sharing your thoughts!
Jesus said He is a spirit (power).
A SPIRIT being- not a HUMAN being.
So, I take His references to his hand, etc. as metaphors.

vikorr
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 03:10 pm
@MadJW,
I'm guessing then, that as you believe him to be a spirit / power, that he is everywhere / in everything. That raises a question - how can one be 'in his presence', is it just a significant concentration of his power?

As an aside, in relation to your use of the pronoun 'He', I would be careful of anything written many years after the fact (ie. the bible) - particularly in a patriarchal society. Anyone being moved by the spirit of God, in such a society, is likely to interpret God as male, no matter what the reality. And if 'He' is a spirit/power, then 'He' is almost certainly gender neutral (having no need of organs of either sex).
NO-NAME
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 12:19 am
King Salomon speaks if the spirit of God as the wisdom of God and refers to it as a feminine spirit. This is because usually things of a spiritual mindset or masculine if they are in a higher realm and anything that correlates to the Physical Realm is referred to in the feminine aspect much like you have man but then there's woman which is a womb-man being the Gateway between the spirit realm in the Physical Realm that the soul comes through. This does not necessarily reflect the genitals due to the fact that the all creator is not bound to the Simplicity of male or female but is much more complex
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 12:52 am
@NO-NAME,
The Holy Spirit got a woman pregnant.

That is masculine in the biological sense of the word.
coluber2001
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 01:10 am
@maxdancona,
JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Well, the one [myth] that is most immediate to think of, is the image of the virgin birth. This is a motif that occurs in all the mythologies of the world. And I found it — I was brought up Roman Catholic, I’d become interested in myths, Indian myths, there’s virgin births all over the place. What is the virgin birth? The virgin birth is symbolic of the birth of the spiritual life, the spiritual being from the body of animal man. We share with animals the interest in hanging onto life, in begetting new life, in feeding and fighting for this life, but there’s a spiritual trajectory -living for a spiritual aim that no animal possibly knows. It’s the birth of that that is the virgin birth
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