RIP Whitney Houston

You're not a radical, but you are a fascist.

He claims to be a socialist, a radical, a freedom fighter . . . i tell ya, the guy is fuckin' hilarious . . .

He would make me smile were it not for rum, sodomy and the lash.

Define both terms please.

My greatest sadness and sense of loss about the whole thing goes to her daughter. What sadness and loss that young woman must be feeling after having experienced and seen so much chaos and difficulty in her 18 years.

Yes, Whitney could sing and I enjoyed her voice, but she didn't owe me anything. But as a mother, she owed her daughter something. It makes me sad to think of what that sad young girl is feeling and experiencing right now. Something I read said that she had always essentially been the adult in the relationship and her mother's caretaker- the mother/child roles were reversed in the relationship.
She's going to be very lost now that her mother and thus her role in life has been taken from her.
I also read that she'd had to been hospitalized herself after her mom's death- for anxiety.

there should be enough money left to fairly compensate the girl for the travails caused by her mother.

There's not enough money in the world to take the place of a good mother in a child's life Hawkeye. A good father goes a long way in alleviating the emotional damage and sadness having an absent or pathological maternal role model inflicts, but this little girl didn't even have that. Her father's not been there for her the way a father should be there for his child either.
She's probably felt lonely and afraid her whole life - having been born to two people who couldn't function in their own lives much less help her learn how to function in hers.

As a gospel fan, this is a song from my favorite genre to hear Whitney sing- can't help thinking that if she'd stuck with the gospel and the family and values she grew up with , things might have gone very differently in her life- and she'd still be here and singing boy could that girl sing! There's no denying that.

I'm sure you can come up with your own defintions for things without my help.

aidan wrote:


I was talking to my boys about that this morning aidan. I can't imagine the pain her mom and her daughter are going through right now.

aidan wrote:


No denying it whatsover. I loved her singing...thought she was adorable - loved her laugh.

im sorry.
i didnt mean to make you feel defensive. I was not aiming my argument at you at all, I pulled your words for an example of a point I wanted to make. I should have specified that. In my HEAD i was speaking in general but in writing it looked opposite. I do apologize for that.

I understood your point. I should have just said that.

My thin skin makes me defensive at times. It is tougher than it used to be though (my skin).

I think there are two different things though.

Did she waste her talent by using drugs? Yes. She had a great talent, and it seems pretty definite that drug use ruined it. That's a shame, period.

Did she waste her life by playing music, touring, etc? I don't think anyone's really saying that.

Meanwhile, I haven't quite figured out how to take my reaction to this one. If I were asked, before she died, to name say 10 of my favorite musicians, she wouldn't be on the list. Even 10 of my favorites when I was a teenager.

But I was 14 when "How Will I Know?" came out, and that song has such a visceral pull on me -- it was the internal theme song for an all-encompassing crush I had at the time. So much emotion attached to it -- not just the song per se, how it sounded (and that I could still hear it, which is of course another element since that was right around the last gasp of being able to hear music) -- but something about it really put feelings into music. When I hear the song (or "hear" it, in my mind, when I'm watching the video), all the teenage swoops and euphoria and despair come back.

So it feels personal in a way that some of these other celebrity deaths don't.

Certainly sad all around.

So true

I found it interesting today that the "water cooler" talk divided up between "Brown cause her to lose her grip" and "Whitney was responsible for her demise"

Like all great talent she will never be forgotten.

As an (ex) singer, obviously wasn't my strongest talent , I admired her, when I first heard her voice, it blew me away...

I feel sad for all actor/s and singer/s and talk show hosts, in-other-words, entertainers that become famous that can not handle that life, it's bigger than life to them, for them. The regiment is so demanding, the up-keep of self, the money so grand that once you've done most things there isn't much more to do than to repeat and the "true" friends you think you have, that aren't friends at all, the persons that enter your life for monitary gain, whilst they believe that they are loved, the lonliness.

Not many people no matter how strong they are, can really deal with such fame and all that comes with it.

What she gave me? I won't forget, you never forget something that was great in your life. Where she is at now? I am hoping in peace, from it all...

She lived a life full on... In ever aspect and I thank her for sharing her talent no matter how many years she did so.

I wish there was a cure a way, instead of re-hab which 90% of the time is only a short term fix, for people that can't cope in life, with life but there isn't.

RIP Whit.

My favorite Whitney memory goes back 20 years, being driven to school early in the mornings (carpool - there must have been a half dozen of us) and when I Will Always Love You came on the radio, we all looked at my brother who had seen The Bodyguard at least 50 times lol (ok, maybe not 50, but a LOT)...then we'd tease him, Mom would yell at us and turn up the radio...ah, good times

RIP Whitney.

Hawk...

"Everyone should do what they want, live their life like they want to"

Something you and I agree with

So um? She did

I'd say both of those are very true statements. I work from home these days - so the most I get of "water cooler" talk is from A2K.