djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 01:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
a better lesson for female singers might be to stay away from partners who have the last name brown (and the first name ike Wink )
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 01:48 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

a better lesson for female singers might be to stay away from partners who have the last name brown (and the first name ike Wink )


Because what a woman does has to be a man's fault right? Whitney herself said that it was not his fault, that her problem was her, that she was both her best friend and her worst enemy.
djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 01:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
sorry, i didn't know you were new to the concept of humour
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 02:04 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

sorry, i didn't know you were new to the concept of humour


Do you do rape jokes too?? Given how often men are blamed for the actions of women, and how often Brown has been blamed for the downfall of Whitney, I dont see much humor in your post. Also given how often Rihanna now gets **** for sneaking around with Chris Brown, all the claims of fears for her life since she insists that she wants to be with him sometimes. This is not a joking matter most of the time....
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 02:14 pm
@djjd62,
12 Things You Didn’t Know About Whitney Houston
Written by News One on February 11, 2012

RELATED: Whitney Houston Dead At 48

1) Whitney Houston, born on August 9, 1963, came from music business royalty. Her mother, Cissy Houston, was a backup singer for the likes of Elvis Presley, Mahalia Jackson, Luther Vandross and Aretha Franklin. Whitney’s cousin, Dionne Warwick, is an internationally recognized singing star. Whitney’s Godmother is Aretha Franklin. [Source: Wikipedia]

2) Houston is the most awarded female recording artist of all time, according to the Guinness Book of World Records. Houston’s awards include: 2 Emmy Awards, 6 Grammy Awards, 30 Billboard Music Awards, 22 American Music Awards. [Source: Wikipedia]

RELATED:

Whitney Houston’s Best And Worst Moments

Public Reaction To Whitney’s Death

3) Houston is the only artist to chart seven consecutive #1 Billboard Hot 100 hits (“Saving All My Love for You”, “How Will I Know”, “Greatest Love of All”, “I Wanna Dance with Somebody”, “Didn’t We Almost Have It All”, “So Emotional”, and “Where Do Broken Hearts Go”). [Source: Wikipedia]

4) Houston’s 1985 debut album, “Whitney Houston,” became the best-selling debut album by a female act at the time of its release. [Source: Wikipedia]

5) In 1978, at the age of 15, Houston sang background vocals on Chaka Khan’s hit single “I’m Every Woman,” which she ironically later re-recorded and turned into an even bigger hit on “The Bodyguard” soundtrack album. [Source: Wikipedia]

6) Before she was a recording artist, Whitney Houston was one of the most in-demand teen models of all time. She was the first Black woman to appear on the cover of Seventeen magazine. She also appeared in the pages of Glamour, Cosmopolitan, Young Miss, and a Canada Dry ginger ale TV commercial.[Source: Wikipedia]

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7) Whitney Houston was a stalwart supporter the anti-apartheid movement and Nelson Mandela. During her days as a model, Houston refused to work with any agencies who did business with South Africa. In 1988, Houston performed a set at Wembley Stadium in London to celebrate Nelson Mandela’s 70th birthday, who was still in prison at the time.[Source: Wikipedia]

8) Houston was actually booed at the 1989 Soul Train Music Awards, because many Black fans at the time believed that she had “sold out” with her crossover success. When Houston’s name was called for nomination, audible jeers could be heard in the audience. Houston later defended herself: “If you’re gonna have a long career, there’s a certain way to do it, and I did it that way. I’m not ashamed of it.”[Source: Wikipedia]

9) Before she married R&B singer Bobby Brown in 1992, Whitney Houston dated football star Randall Cunningham and actor Eddie Murphy. [Source: Wikipedia]

10) Whitney Houston’s international smash, “I Will Always Love You,” was actually a remake of a Dolly Parton song. [Source: Wikipedia]

11) Whitney Houston’s 2002 conversation with Diane Sawyer was the highest-rated television interview in history. [Source: Wikipedia]

12) Whitney Houston gave conflicting statements about her crack use. In the 2002 Sawyer interview, Whitney denied using the drug, saying: “First of all, let’s get one thing straight. Crack is cheap. I make too much money to ever smoke crack. Let’s get that straight. Okay? We don’t do crack. We don’t do that. Crack is wack.” But in her next televised interview, with Oprah in 2009, Houston admitted using drugs with former husband Bobby Brown, telling Oprah that she “laced marijuana with rock cocaine.” [Source: Wikipedia]

MORE INFORMATION AND PHOTOS OF WHITNEY THROUGH HER LIFE:

RELATED: Whitney Houston Dead At 48

http://newsone.com/nation/black-history-month/game-changers/news-one-staff/whitney-houston-wiki/
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 03:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
in the right circumstance, nothing is outside the realm of humour
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engineer
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 04:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Being remembered as a cautionary tale of where drugs+self indulgence can lead would be a much better outcome.

I think no discussion of Houston's life would be complete without discussing how she completely blew a prodigious talent. To call Houston a "very good singer" as someone did earlier is an amazing understatement. Houston had a range that opera singers would die for and a voice as clear and powerful as anyone ever recorded. Her decent into drugs and the impact it took on her career and eventually her gift is a story that we can't help but talk about after her death at such a young age.
jespah
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:09 pm
@engineer,
Well said.

She's not dead at 48 for nothin'. It's because of a life led with drugs, and that changed her and debased her talent. She's practically a poster child for - or her photograph could be pasted into any dictionary under the word - squander. As in squandering her talent, her resources and a lot of good will.
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mismi
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:10 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
I think no discussion of Houston's life would be complete without discussing how she completely blew a prodigious talent. To call Houston a "very good singer" as someone did earlier is an amazing understatement. Houston had a range that opera singers would die for and a voice as clear and powerful as anyone ever recorded. Her decent into drugs and the impact it took on her career and eventually her gift is a story that we can't help but talk about after her death at such a young age


I absolutely agree. There are very few people that can use their voice as effectively as Whitney. It breaks my heart that she threw it all away. I hate she fell in love with Bobby Brown. I guarantee you that was the first step of her downfall.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:20 pm
@mismi,
Quote:
I guarantee you that was the first step of her downfall.

but it was her step....she was no victim here, she did what she wanted to do against the resistance of her team at the time as well as her family.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:27 pm
Im simply copying this from my f/b page where we have had an on going conversation about this situation.

I will add that I do not find her talent wasted simply because she choose to get high. Her talent was singing and she devoted and lost most of her LIFE to pursuing that as a career and touring the world entertaining people. Hardly a waste.

My statement -

Quote:
In my feed there are many variations of " good bye Whitney" to be read with in 20 pages. There are some really inappropriate but laugh worthy jokes, jokes you dont WANT to laugh at but are true..and simple song posts. When I heard about her death I was shocked , and no .. not because I didnt expect it nor was I really attached to her as a person/idol. I was shocked because ... well.. she was only 48. At this time in my life, 48 isnt old. AT ALL. To me that seems like an inappropriate age to die at and i wonder if this was how my grandmother felt when she was remarking to me about how all of the movie stars of her life were dying like flies when i was only in my late teens. I wonder if this is how MY mother feels with only 20 years of life on me. All of the stars I enjoyed as a child are dropping like flies now too and frankly it feels very odd. I guess this is the point when I realize I am an adult now even though in my head Im only a half cent smarter than a 20 something but 10 million times more sensible than any one else on the planet. HA! Admit it.. you think that way about yourself too ..!
There are also comments about her drug use and how apparently ( according to the 400 something people in my feed) you are either A) a shitty person for ever taking drugs... or B) Just a sad soul who needed God or C) Hey.. everyone makes mistakes, its no big deal. And i wonder if that A group would ever know WHO in their circle of life has ever taken drugs? Guess what... I have. I have taken more street drugs than I will ever openly admit to and I know what withdrawing feels like . I know that bone breaking pain, the hallucinations that are so strong you believe someone or something is actually IN your body. You guys need to back off. The elitism is disgusting.

There are even some folks who wonder WHY she was so famous. Most of them are too young to remember her. They are too young to know how hard singers used to have to WORK to make it into the public eye AND STAY THERE. They only know kids like Justine Beiber who has not yet hit puberty, was a made character who will have a few short hits then disappear into the night. There is no long term anything with the singers of today. Their work is short, extremely intense and often embarrassing. These kids give up 4 years of their life to be forgotten tomorrow by the next pretty face who can sing in exactly the same tune THEY did... just with a new outfit. Real performers... REAL singers and real voices are rare. Whitney was gifted with one of those and until she broke and headed down the path of drugs..worked EVERY single DAY of her life to keep doing what she loved. Nothing was handed to her... thats how life works for people. Though if you watch the one hit wonder tide , you may not understand that.

Things dont seem genuine anymore. If you can wear the latest fashion and carry a tune someone will buy you, plaster you on tv , make a few mill on you then toss you aside for the next meal ticket. The few stars who did not fall into that category were amazing and Whitney was one of them. Im sorry our young people dont know what it means to work hard for that life style anymore.. and im sorry that a good portion of society does not understand what it is like to be a drug addict. Not that you have to have pity or make excuses for them, being a drug addict is a crappy CHOICE but being judgmental to a situation that does not involve you is just as much of a crappy choice.

Shes no saint, shes no goddess.. shes just a woman that had an amazing voice and busted her ass for several years to be able to make a living using that voice. Really.. she is not above anyone else... she is nothing special...she is just another human, but some where people tossed that to the way side.
shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:33 pm
@mismi,
mismi wrote:

It breaks my heart that she threw it all away.



at 48 years old, she has been doing this for 20 years....
touring the entire planet
losing all of her privacy
having to hide her family, her self and live in a fortress just to keep her physically safe
having each and every second of her life plastered to tv no matter WHAT it is...



20 + years of that.. over HALF HER LIFE ... just to sing. She lost everything that made her human just to sing...

Please tell me how she threw that away? Was she supposed to continue living that way to satisfy US? those who were not part of her family?


I understand what you mean, I really do.. but I think we as fans and outsiders are losing a perspective here and the end result is greed and selfishness. she didnt TAKE anything from us.. she didnt throw anything away that was OURS.. she lived HER life and chose to share some of it with us so we could hear her voice.

instead of saying she wasted it, or threw it all away, i wish people would remember and realize what it is like to have to live that kind of life style and be GRATEFUL that she chose it...
her drugs, her body and her life belong to her... So did her voice. We got lucky in that she chose to share it , record it and travel the world so we could hear her.

waste... no... not at all.
I would tell her " Thanks gal. That **** was AWESOME!" ...
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:36 pm
@shewolfnm,
So shewolf, do you have anything to say on a persons duty to either themselves or to others to try to preserve and/or use extraordinary talent if they happen to have some? I am pissy that she wasted her talent and thus did not entertain me more, but did she have any moral obligation to try to do so?
shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
No.

if it would be MY talent.. its just MY choice. I am not obligated to do something to entertain you or anyone else. A persons talent is theirs to do with as they wish.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 05:44 pm
@shewolfnm,
shewolfnm wrote:

No.

if it would be MY talent.. its just MY choice. I am not obligated to do something to entertain you or anyone else. A persons talent is theirs to do with as they wish.


As a socialist I obviously disagree....
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 06:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
As a socialist . . .


Ah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

No quit, just quit . . . yer killin' me here . . .
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 06:20 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

sorry, i didn't know you were new to the concept of humour


He's new to the concept of most things, not talking **** being one of them.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 06:22 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Quote:
As a socialist . . .


Ah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

No quit, just quit . . . yer killin' me here . . .


Now he's got you laughing at his jokes, he's going to make a move. Brace yourself.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 06:30 pm
@izzythepush,
The argument that we do not have the right to piss away our talent is not either new nor extreme. I am not a radical based upon my position here.
mismi
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 07:31 pm
@shewolfnm,
ehhhh...

I loved her. Thought she was amazing. I am all for her...so I won't argue with you about anything.

I have my own ideas I suppose about how I wish she had been able to keep on. But that can just be my idea.
 

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