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War! The fear mongering is here, again!

 
 
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 08:09 am
@izzythepush,
Just when I thought you couldn't prove yourself any more stupid; you go and prove me wrong again.

That, izzyT.P. is propaganda at it's dirty best. Iran poses and plays, and gullible nimrods lap it up.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 08:18 am
@revelette,
Quote:
Mitt Romney’s oped in today’s Washington Post claimed — without offering any evidence — that Iran has a “nuclear-bomb program” and that the Islamic Republic is “racing to build a nuclear bomb.”


Romney certainly wouldn't feel a need to offer evidence for something that has been endlessly proven over and over, and which everyone already knows is true.



Quote:
Currently, U.S. intelligence and the IAEA do not believe either of these claims to be true.


Nonsense. That is a gross distortion of what both agencies say.



Quote:
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said an attack would only delay Iran’s nuclear program


That is why the idea is to re-bomb Iran every year so that they are not able to rebuild.



Quote:
Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey warned that military action “could carry unforeseen risks.”


No one denies that all options are bad. The other choices aren't any better.



Quote:
A growing number of defense and intelligence elites in Israel seem to think the costs of war with Iran far outweigh the consequences to the Jewish state.


The consequences will only be some ballistic missile strikes, much like Israel went through in 1991.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 08:29 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
All this at a time where Iran has returned to the negotiating table.

Quote:
Six major world powers and Iran are to hold fresh talks on Tehran's nuclear programme, the EU has said.

EU foreign policy head Catherine Ashton said she had replied to a letter from Iran on behalf of the five permanent UN Security Council members plus Germany.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17274364


As if there were any sort of significance to Iran's empty negotiation talk?

The only thing that is going to avert the bombing is if Iran actually halts their drive to produce nuclear weapons.


By the way, for someone who accuses people of posting gibberish whenever they get the wrong tense on a verb, you sure are careless about the difference between when and where.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 09:26 am
@revelette,
Wasent this Bushes rational for the Iraq war, opps, police action.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 09:46 am
Oralloy says"
Quote:
Romney certainly wouldn't feel a need to offer evidence for something that has been endlessly proven over and over, and which everyone already knows is true.


Right, of course, everyone knew Iraq was frantically stockpiling weapons of mass destruction and getting ready to bomb Washington on 45 minutes notice. Everyone knows about that smoking crater they left where DC used to be. Everyone knows about those megatons of weapons we found in Iraq when we started Bush'e elective war. Idiot.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 09:52 am
@MontereyJack,
Oralboy is driven by extreme Islamophobia, he refuses to acknowledge any evidence that does not fit in with his preconceptions. He is a stranger to reason.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 10:10 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Right, of course, everyone knew Iraq was frantically stockpiling weapons of mass destruction and getting ready to bomb Washington on 45 minutes notice.


Stop making things up. No one ever said anything about bombing Washington with 45 minutes notice.

And is this fictitious nonsense supposed to be some sort of argument for letting Iran develop nuclear weapons? If so, the answer is a decisive "no".

The US is not about to let Iran develop nuclear weapons, period.



MontereyJack wrote:
Idiot.


Childish namecalling won't change the fact that the US isn't going to let Iran develop nuclear weapons.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 10:14 am
@izzythepush,
izzythenazi wrote:
Oralboy is driven by extreme Islamophobia,


Liar.



izzythenazi wrote:
he refuses to acknowledge any evidence that does not fit in with his preconceptions.


Your vile spewages of blood libel are hardly "evidence".



izzythenazi wrote:
He is a stranger to reason.


Liar.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 10:23 am
oralloy says:
Stop making things up. No one ever said anything about bombing Washington with 45 minutes notice

Didn't pay much attention to what they were saying before we invaded Iraq, did you?
oralloy
 
  1  
Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 10:27 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Oralloy wrote:
Stop making things up. No one ever said anything about bombing Washington with 45 minutes notice


Didn't pay much attention to what they were saying before we invaded Iraq, did you?


As a matter of fact, I did. And I have a very good memory.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 10:29 am
@MontereyJack,
He only listens to the voices in his head.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 10:42 am
@izzythepush,
scroll, scroll, scroll.....
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djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 11:36 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
No one ever said anything about bombing Washington with 45 minutes notice.


still, we live in hope
Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 12:21 pm
@djjd62,
I'ma have to report you to The Truth Team!!!

Fear them and tremble!

Laughing
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 02:32 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:
That, izzyT.P. is propaganda at it's dirty best. Iran poses and plays, and gullible nimrods lap it up.


I agree that the negotiations are nonsense. However, they are also harmless.

Obama has clearly stated a policy that once Iran begins stamping out weapon components and assembling them into weapons, we'll bomb them back to the stone age (or perhaps, back to an earlier stone age than the one they're currently in).

So we're basically in a waiting period until Iran crosses the trigger threshold.

Regardless of whether we spend all that time fruitlessly pursuing empty negotiations, or we spend all that time twiddling our thumbs and doing nothing, it won't change the fact that we won't bomb until Iran crosses the trigger threshold, and then when they cross that threshold we'll bomb them to powder.

So these negotiations are doing no real damage. It's just a harmless diversion for us to engage in before the bombs start falling.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 04:25 am
@MontereyJack,
This really is something that the West should keep out of. We have got two right wing regimes feeding off each other in order to justify their own existence/policies. Both of these regimes are terrified of the Arab Spring.

The hardliners in Iran were strengthened by Bush's axis of evil speech, and the invasion of Iraq has turned it into little more than Iran's client state. The iranian regime is deeply unpopular, the election on Friday was boycotted by the opposition. Sanctions are starting to bite, and most people are more concerned about the price of basic foodstuffs than anything else. Iran's main ally in the region Syria, is ruthlessly putting down its own people, and it's only a matter of time before Assad's regime is toppled. The first cracks are already starting to show with the defection of Syria's deputy oil minister Abdo Hussameldin.

Quote:
Syria's deputy oil minister, Abdo Hussameldin, has announced his defection on YouTube, becoming the first high ranking civilian official to abandon President Bashar al-Assad since the uprising against his rule erupted a year ago.

"I Abdo Hussameldin, deputy oil and mineral wealth minister in Syria, announce my defection from the regime, resignation from my position and withdrawal from the Ba'ath party. I join the revolution of this dignified people," Hussameldin said in a YouTube video uploaded on Wednesday and seen early on Thursday.

"I say to this regime: you have inflicted on those who you claim are your people a whole year of sorrow and sadness, denying them basic life and humanity and driving Syria to the edge of the abyss," he said, adding the country's economy was "near collapse".


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/08/syria-deputy-oil-minister-defects-assad-regime

What this deeply unpopular regime desperately needs is an outside threat, in order to silence internal dissent, that way the opposition will have to be quiet or risk being called agents of 'Zionist Imperialism.'

Netanyahu's regime is arguably the most right wing in its history, is deeply indebted to the settler movement for its support, and has the far right Avigdor Lieberman as its foreign minister. Israel is the military superpower in the region, and is more than capable of ensuring its own security. What it's not capable of is expanding its borders without help, and that is really what this is about. Illegal settlements continue to be built in the West Bank, creating facts on the ground, all of which is designed to make a future Palestinian State unfeasable.

War with Iran would give Netanyahu the excuse, to invade Lebanon and Syria, and to reoccupy the Gaza Strip, all in the name of security, and they'd probably try to take credit for the 'humanitarian' decision to annex parts of Syria. Those adjoining Israel, know this is Israel's objective, and have decided not to play along. Hamas in particular is turning its back on long term sponsor Iran, and instead is trying to align itself with Egypt's fundamentalist, yet democratic Moslem Brotherhood.

Quote:
Hamas will not do Iran's bidding in any war with Israel, according to senior figures within the militant Islamic group.

"If there is a war between two powers, Hamas will not be part of such a war," Salah Bardawil, a member of the organisation's political bureau in Gaza City, told the Guardian.

He denied the group would launch rockets into Israel at Tehran's request in response to a strike on its nuclear sites. "Hamas is not part of military alliances in the region," said Bardawil. "Our strategy is to defend our rights"

The stance underscores Hamas's rift with its key financial sponsor and its realignment with the Muslim Brotherhood and popular protest movements in the Arab world.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/06/hamas-no-military-aid-for-iran?INTCMP=SRCH

Most of us in the West support the Arab Spring, but both Israel and Iran are terrified by it. Iran, because the movement threatens the theocratic regime, and Israel, because it hampers its expansionist policy and takes away its most potent argument, that of being the only democracy in the region.

Quote:
Three years ago, Obama was promising to shift the weight of US power to drive Israel towards a deal with the Palestinians whether it really wants one or not. But the president of hope has been confronted with the prime minister of doom. Netanyahu sees only threats. The Arab Spring is a menace — more like an Arab Winter. Hamas is seeping into the Palestinian power structure. And now there's Iran.

Israel's threat of another war has at least saved Netanyahu from having to talk to Obama about his least favourite subject; the future of a people who have yet to be given the right to make their own decisions.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/06/netanyahu-meets-obama?INTCMP=SRCH

djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 05:50 am
@Irishk,
unbelievable, i would swear that site is a joke
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 06:46 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
This really is something that the West should keep out of.


Nope. We won't be allowing Iran to develop nuclear weapons, period.



izzythepush wrote:
We have got two right wing regimes feeding off each other in order to justify their own existence/policies. Both of these regimes are terrified of the Arab Spring.


While the Arab spring means that Egypt may start a war that will require Israel to recapture the Sinai and rebuild settlements there, Israel is hardly terrified.



izzythepush wrote:
the invasion of Iraq has turned it into little more than Iran's client state.


Nonsense.



izzythepush wrote:
Sanctions are starting to bite, and most people are more concerned about the price of basic foodstuffs than anything else.


Sanctions that would not have happened had we "stayed out of it" as you suggest.....



izzythepush wrote:
Netanyahu's regime is arguably the most right wing in its history, is deeply indebted to the settler movement for its support, and has the far right Avigdor Lieberman as its foreign minister. Israel is the military superpower in the region, and is more than capable of ensuring its own security. What it's not capable of is expanding its borders without help, and that is really what this is about.


Nope. What this is about is stopping Iran's drive to develop illegal nuclear weapons.



izzythepush wrote:
Illegal settlements continue to be built in the West Bank, creating facts on the ground, all of which is designed to make a future Palestinian State unfeasable.


Hardly illegal.

And the new settlements are likely all being built west of "the wall", which is land that Israel will be annexing one day.



izzythepush wrote:
War with Iran would give Netanyahu the excuse, to invade Lebanon and Syria, and to reoccupy the Gaza Strip, all in the name of security, and they'd probably try to take credit for the 'humanitarian' decision to annex parts of Syria. Those adjoining Israel, know this is Israel's objective, and have decided not to play along.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing



izzythepush wrote:
Most of us in the West support the Arab Spring, but both Israel and Iran are terrified by it.


While the Arab spring means that Egypt may start a war that will require Israel to recapture the Sinai and rebuild settlements there, Israel is hardly terrified.



izzythepush wrote:
Iran, because the movement threatens the theocratic regime, and Israel, because it hampers its expansionist policy and takes away its most potent argument, that of being the only democracy in the region.


Israel has no such expansionist policy.



Quote:
Three years ago, Obama was promising to shift the weight of US power to drive Israel towards a deal with the Palestinians whether it really wants one or not.


Obama found that "driving" Israel toward a deal, when Israel was never the one resisting the deal, was a recipe for a diplomatic trainwreck.



Quote:
Israel's threat of another war has at least saved Netanyahu from having to talk to Obama about his least favourite subject; the future of a people who have yet to be given the right to make their own decisions.


What saves Netanyahu from discussing it, is the fact that the Palestinians have no interest in peaceful negotiations.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 06:56 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:
unbelievable, i would swear that site is a joke


Politicians on both sides love to sow lies about their opponents and let them fester in the public mind.

Any politician who is able to stamp out hostile lies before they spread, has an advantage.
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2012 06:57 am
@oralloy,
it's impossible to lie about a politician, they are all evil scumbags
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