War! The fear mongering is here, again!

The last time you posted that rot

you told us you'd posted it half a billion times or so, if I recall correctly. Now you're telling me it's only fifty. I doubt it's actually more than two or three times.

Just an example of your hyperinflated claims in general.

You claim my definition is too narrow.

Yours is far, far too broad.

Not to mention unsubstantiated.

and not having even started a program of developing the infrastructure to actually design and build a bomb is far,

the whole thing is Israeli fear-mongering. And yours.

Talk to the people you sycophant for, the Israelis, and tell them to stop screwing around and actually negotiate the things they've refused to deal with for the last sixty years, and it'll all go away.

oralloy wrote:

MontereyJack wrote:

In fact you are. They shut down their nuclear weapons work in 2003, according to the intelligence reports.

As I've already explained a good fifty or so times, those reports are using a particularly narrow definition of "trying to build nuclear weapons".

Using that definition, Iran is only trying to build nuclear weapons if they start manufacturing weapons components and assembling them into a working device.

Since at the moment all Iran is doing is rushing to develop the capability to do that, they in fact don't meet that narrowly tailored definition.

But the fact remains, they are still rushing to develop the capability to make nuclear weapons.

Um. Yeah. I don't believe there is any innate moral reason why Iran shouldn't have the same rights that other countries around them do.

We rushed to develop nuclear weapons once we realized the possibility that they could be made, and we promptly used them on our enemies.

Cycloptichorn

Yes. And rightly so.

I would denounce an aggressive use of nuclear weapons by Israel - and so would the rest of the world. It would mean the deaths of hundreds of thousands if they did. They would deserve the response they got afterward.

Sorry but a people who survive is threaten will do what they need to do and worry about any fall out after the threat had been ended.

in large part because many of us would actively fight to make sure that we were one of the ones punishing them.

In any case it does not matter what we think because Israel is not likely to allow Iran to have nuclear weapons even if it would mean using some of the three hundreds plus nuclear weapons they themselves is believe to own to stop them.

If military force in the end is needed to stop Iran from having such weapons they better hope it the US that is the ones who does so and not the Israels.

I would denounce an aggressive use of nuclear weapons by Israel - and so would the rest of the world. It would mean the deaths of hundreds of thousands if they did.

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I strongly recommend not being downwind when that place is bombed. It's going to be pretty grim.

I do agree with you that Iran should disavow their acceptance of the NPT if they wish to continue their production of weapons.

As for the US, we have no real need to take any of the actions you described - they wouldn't help us in any way currently, and allies don't always remain allies over time, so over-arming them may not be the wisest move.

Your opinion doesn't lessen the war crimes, Oralboy.

Their survival would be far more threatened by using a nuke than it would be from Iran. The entire world would turn against them, and in the end they are a very, very small country with limited resources. The US would not be able to support or save them in such an instance, in large part because many of us would actively fight to make sure that we were one of the ones punishing them.

Oralloy wrote:

I strongly recommend not being downwind when that place is bombed. It's going to be pretty grim.

What happens to innocents has never been a concern for the US. They have carpet bombed, napalmed, tortured, raped, poisoned, done pretty much everything that abhorrent to do to innocents the world over.

I am not sure if the Israels had the technology to go after so deeply buried facilities not using nukes unless we give it to them.

the fact that the A-bombs were dropped on military targets