The UK Puritans Carve another Notch in the Bedpost

You were the one who assumed pervert included gay. That's your attitude, not mine. If you think that paedophiles and rapists aren't perverts that says a lot about you as well.

As for Alan Turing, you've changed your tune. I thought we all sat back meekly as you saved our 'asses.' Why the sudden change of heart, and the decision to look at historical facts for once? That's not like you.

As for our obscenity laws, I notice you show no concern for the life of Jo Yeates murdered by a pervert, whom you would not label as such. We're talking about paedophilia, rape and torturew, not consentual S&M. This is a relatively new law, and as such there will be test cases until common sense prevails.




This is probably your worst sentence to date. If you can't be bothered to write coherently, you need to get back in your tyre. You should be ashamed of your chimpanzee prose, and I'm astounded that you think anyone should take anything you grunt seriously.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/lolita-ad-kicks-up-a-big-stink/story-fn7x8me2-1226193119170

Shocking *sarcasm*

That was your UK law not my opinion and the label pervert had been place on many people for many reasons over the years and by your post anyone so label should have no rights.

No where in fact had I seen that the word pervert only mean pedofile and you had been using the far broader term pervert in your postings on this thread.



The anti SM law is the current UK law and once more by your post anyone label a pervert should have no rights in your opinion and you are proud of that fact.

http://rumorfix.com/2011/11/exclusive-marc-jacobs-defends-sexy-dakota-fanning-ad/

Hear! Hear!.....and it is all over the internet so the message is still getting out, now free to the company. Until the suppression of free speech on the internet gets worse via Chinese style filters ( and it will) this was a smart way for Marc Jacobs to go.

The pathetic thing is that Bill seems to think he's making a telling point by comparing the sexual mores of England 70 years ago to the mores of England today. He's a tool.

Rubbish, but I'm not surprised you don't understand, you need to be able to read and write to understand laws. Most people think paedophiles, and rapists are perverts. It's just people like you and Hawkeye that hero worship them.

It shows he can't win the arument so he shifts ground, He obviously has a problem with homosexuals because they don't rape and torture women.

The homosexuality laws in England were pretty tough, but then, so were they in the United States. But you're right, he can't make an argument about adolescent girls, so he's trying to divert the discussion into a channel which he idiotically thinks he can win in.

Pervert is a broad term and mean little other then I do not like your sex life be that gay, or SM or being a pedofile or a rapist or for that matter an older man who enjoy looking at late teens females in a sexual way as they walk by.

You had not been using the term pedofile or rapist or sexual murderer but the far broader term pervert.

Given that you seems to know the differences and used the correct terms when press I would assume you are just trying to link all sexual activities that you do not care for together for emotional affects.

Try not to assume what someone means. You have enough problems understanding what's written down without trying to analyse it.

I had no problem with you as you are not nearly as bright and clever as you think you are.

Sorry lumping every group who sexual behaviors you do not approval of under the label pervert and they crying how dare you defend someone into SM as he is a pervert the same as a child rapist or murderer or...........they are all perverts after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are a silly person indeed.

Current UK law concerning concerning consenting adults SM activity.

http://www.spannertrust.org/documents/smandthelaw.asp


SM and the Law
The information below is intended as guidance for those wanting to know more about the UK law as it applies to SM activity.
There is no substitute for professional legal advice and if you are in doubt you should obtain this first, specially if you find yourself in discussions with the police.

Is SM Illegal?
SM activity is an illegal assault if it results in marks or injuries which are more than transient and trifling. These words are highly subjective and open to interpretation. The following are likely to be considered by Judge Rant to be illegal: heavy beatings which leave lasting marks; any activities which leave scars, bruises etc. A heavy love bite could now be unlawful. There are some areas which are well clear of the ruling. Fantasy sex, role playing and dressing up are outside his judgement. So you can wear as much leather, rubber, uniforms and fetish gear as you wish. Bondage falls outside his judgement too, if there are no lasting marks. Shaving, mummification and watersports are unlikely to be considered assaults. It is likely that mild corporal punishment, where there is no injury, would be considered trifling. However you should be aware that the judgement does not define what is trifling and the ruling is open to many interpretations. Any prosecutions which attempt to define these need to be fought, supported by the best, well-informed legal advice. top of page

How To Protect Yourself
This article cannot encourage you to break the law. However it can offer you advice on what you should avoid. If you believe you may have engaged in SM activity which could be classified as actual bodily harm or grievous bodily harm, then you can only be prosecuted it there is evidence against you. This evidence could be your own statement, or that of another participant. The evidence could be in the form of documentation such as letters, photographs cassette recordings or videos. If you are questioned by the police, remember that, whatever they say, you are under no obligation to say anything to them, even if they arrest you. However it may in certain circumstances be in your interests to answer police questions at a Police Station . You should NEVER try and decide this on your own. You should ALWAYS seek legal advice. If you are arrested you must ask for a solicitor as soon as you arrive at the Police Station. Solicitors are completely free whilst you are in police custody. Don't let the police persuade you that waiting for a solicitor will delay your detention. Don't be taken in by a friendly copper who "just wants to help you through this difficulty". The police have no right to search your home unless they have a Warrant or unless you are arrested for certain types of offence. Don't be taken in by statements by them to the effect that, it you admit the offence, things will go easier for you in court. Or that, if you give them details of other people's activities or identities, they will go easy on you or 'let you off'. Without your statement, they may have no evidence to convict you or your friends. Always insist on having a solicitor present when you are questioned. These are your rights. A videotape or photograph, cassette recording or letters which identify individuals engaging in SM scenes which could now be unlawful will provide the police with good evidence with which to bring a prosecution. Be aware that identification of individuals can come from recognisable surroundings or body markings such as tattoos or piercings. top of page

Prosecutions since the Spanner Case
Since the original case there have been a number of police raids, arrests and prosecutions for both gay men and heterosexuals based on the possibility that they had engaged in illegal SM activities. In a raid on a house in Hoylandswaine in West Yorkshire 36 gay men were arrested and their clothing and accessories were taken away. Despite persistent questioning the men refused to divulge any information to the police about their actual or intended activities and in the end no charges were made. However it took the men some time and legal assistance to recover all their property. Two further cases concerned heterosexual married couples. In both cases the husband had placed serious marks on his wife's body in the course of a consensual SM scene. In each case when the case came to trial the Judge ruled that what took place within the confines of a consensual private relationship was of no concern to the court. These cases do not invalidate the original Spanner judgement nor is it clear how they affect SM activity outside heterosexual marriage. top of page

Legal Advice
Listed here are some people and organisations who are willing to provide advice and legal representation to people involved in SM activities.

What is your point Bill...that the UK government is prudish and assumes that all men are potential rapists of women first and foremost?? That is self evident, no extensive fact finding is required.

My point is that the UK is run and control by puritans that has no problem with interfering with consenting adults if they can label the activity as being pervert in some manner or other.

Also as you had seen by placing whole groups with nothing in common under the label pervert they somehow by some magic try to link their behaviors with child rape or sexual driven murder as they happen to share the same pervert label.

Child porn videos and SM videos are both illegal to had also under the same general thinking as above.

They are further along in the installation of the police state, we see that with the massive surveillance system and the bullying on drinking as well as in their continual freak outs about sexuality and the nature of the masculine/feminine dance. The really disturbing thing is that America has over the last few decades been seen to be following the UK, that what the UK does we are often doing about a decade later.

It is time for a little revolution in America. The oppression at the hands of the state can not be allowed to get any worse, and the fact that the state often subcontracts out the oppression does not mean squat to me, the buck stops at the desk of the leaders of the government.

And you are a semi-literate moron. Over here, most people have no problems with what consenting adults get up to. Rape and torture don't come under that definition.

You really are quite pathetic, you talk about the post-war homosexuality laws, and a celebrated S&M case from 1987 to show how today's laws are puitanical. What's next, some mumbling self-righteousness about mods and rockers tearing up Brighton?

I see that you and fellow fuckwit rapist Hawkeye are now congratulating each other. I see you've still not said anything about Jo Yeates, and not a word of condemnation of Vincent Tabak. I can only assume it's because you admire him. (I'm allowed to assume, because I can construct a basic sentence.)

What is your evidence for this charge?

Hawkeye people like izzythepush does not need any evidence as if you do not agree with him you must be evil.

And note the torture statement he slipped in so SM is torture even if the pain is consensus and part of the sexual pleasure that does not matter at all.

Only sexual acts he would be willing to take part in should be legal in his world view.

Your previous posts, celebrating the joys of marital rape, and unremitting support of rapists show that you're definitely a wannabe rapist, if not an actual one. As for you being a fuckwit, I've provided ample evidence of that on previous threads.

In other word I guess anyone charge with rape should be assume to be a rapist and to state otherwise is to support rapists.