7
   

Big Bang or a Stretch of God's Imagination?

 
 
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 12:49 pm
@georgeob1,
I don't know . . . 'cause you're paranoid? 'Cause you're a Paddy?
georgeob1
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 01:07 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

I don't know . . . 'cause you're paranoid? 'Cause you're a Paddy?


Watch it with the Paddy stuff !! Though, given your background and experiences, I can tolerate it from you.

Farmerman is making excuses for his penchant for wise ass and argumentative rhetorical sallies. However it is true, I was responding to his posts , not those that preceeded them. Perhaps a failing with respect to proper A2K protocols, but who gives a damn?
0 Replies
 
voiceindarkness
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 02:16 pm
@Miss L Toad,
Miss L Toad wrote:

nice pic dude how's it hangin'
Hangin on this marry-go-round of thoughts,
See-en what will fly off. Rolling Eyes
0 Replies
 
voiceindarkness
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 06:30 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

I believe George is covering for "LaVoz" in this. I dont expect "Voice..." to comment, he skips on and jumps over topics while never responding to a response to one of his "ideas"
seriously? Can you show me an example? I can.
Quote:
Quote:
The domain of science includes only that which is capable of observation and verification.

You have yet to point out what portion of my theory, starting with the entire universe being very hot, and you can read the rest, hopefully with a little open minded visualization, does not co inside with the observations of science.
You, "(skips on and jumps over topics while never responding to a response to one of his "ideas")". And you have yet to respond to this post.
In the full length of this thread, you have yet to talk on any of my talking points at the beginning of this thread. You just mount your soapbox of "There is no God and you can"t prove there is one"!

Quote:
An intelligence that seems decoupled from its creation is really an airhead in my opinion.
Have you ever heard the phrase, "I pulled that thought out of thin air"?
Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. (is this where Heaven is?)
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (Is this where the seat of consciousness is?) Have you noticed, when the brain is starved for oxygen, the mind leaves? But does it still exist in the consciousness of the air? Heaven? Are we not the consciousness of reality? That would make us the airheads?
God became an airhead, so that we could become Godhead. Cool

Quote:
it is not FM who keeps dragging the putrescent equine corpse onto the site, while proclaiming what a fine, lovely horse it is. it's Voice who dragged the corpse in. You know, the guy who seriously claims to be Jesus?
I'm riding it, but you can't see it, he's white. Wink

Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 06:43 pm
@voiceindarkness,
That was pretty fuckin' lame, dragging in an edited post of mine, out of context, in a response to FM. I expect no less from you. You're not riding anything, unless it's a drug flashback to your younger days.

Next time, if you want to respond to one of my posts, do so directly, don't hang it on to the back of a post by FM, and without attribution.

What a maroon.
voiceindarkness
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 06:52 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

That was pretty fuckin' lame, dragging in an edited post of mine, out of context, in a response to FM. I expect no less from you. You're not riding anything, unless it's a drug flashback to your younger days.

Next time, if you want to respond to one of my posts, do so directly, don't hang it on to the back of a post by FM, and without attribution.

What a maroon.
Refresh my memory, which post was this?
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 06:53 pm
@voiceindarkness,
You really are drug-addled, aren't you. You can't keep track of what you write from one post to the next.
0 Replies
 
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 07:05 pm
@voiceindarkness,
Quote:
You just mount your soapbox of "There is no God and you can"t prove there is one"!

Ive never said this to you. You are still delusional. Why are you avoiding anything substantive?

Quote:
The domain of science includes only that which is capable of observation and verification.
You have yet to point out what portion of my theory, starting with the entire universe being very hot, and you can read the rest, hopefully with a little open minded visualization, does not co inside with the observations of science.
You have exerpted NO evidence. Youve only stated that you can use the same evidence as anyone else. This is hardly a scholarly discussion. Its consistant with your brand of idiocy.

You stated the "scientific validity" of ID. I dismantled that so you just skipped over the entire issue like some defense attorney whose premise has been shoved up his ass. Familiar position for you?

You brought up the subject, I only provided real evidence where you are wrong. George ob just stumbled in like some drunk to help you out by claiming my post was rehashed discussion. It may be true from his point but as for you, youve only come aboard and are claiming some "scientific credibility" based on your silly hypotheses.
Evidence is all you have to present. I know you wont cause you cant. All the rest of your posts are bullshit and fluffy Biblical passages.

Quote:
Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. (is this where
Are you claiming that this is valid science??. How bout some evidence.

PS, if your gonna quote people, try to learn how to properly use the quote feature. Its really easy.
voiceindarkness
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 07:32 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Quote:
That was pretty fuckin' lame, dragging in an edited post of mine, out of context, in a response to FM. I expect no less from you.Next time, if you want to respond to one of my posts, do so directly, don't hang it on to the back of a post by FM, and without attribution.
You mean this?
Quote:
it is not FM who keeps dragging the putrescent equine corpse onto the site, while proclaiming what a fine, lovely horse it is. it's Voice who dragged the corpse in. You know, the guy who seriously claims to be Jesus?
What is out of context? My post was in response to the conversation between FM and you. I"m sorry if I offended you by posting my response to you both in the same post.
Quote:
You're not riding anything, unless it's a drug flashback to your younger days.
Yeah, I had an experience back in the 70s while on acid, that totally coincides with what I am experiencing today. I road that mind trip all the way.


Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 07:43 pm
@voiceindarkness,
The word you wan't was rode, not road. You're not terribly swift. My remark was not a part of a conversation with FM, it was a response to a different member altogether. You're just not very bright, are you? When you post stupidly in that manner, it makes it appear that the quoted portions were all a part of a post of a single individual, which simply wasn't true.
voiceindarkness
 
  0  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 08:51 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

The word you wan't was rode, not road. You're not terribly swift. My remark was not a part of a conversation with FM, it was a response to a different member altogether. You're just not very bright, are you? When you post stupidly in that manner, it makes it appear that the quoted portions were all a part of a post of a single individual, which simply wasn't true.
It was all part of the same conversation. I commented on all of the phrases that pertained to me, as I scanned through the post. What does it make a **** who was remarking to who? Rolling Eyes
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 10:32 pm
@voiceindarkness,
Whom, who was "remarking" to whom. Dumb ****. It matters because it wasn't all part of one converstaion, it was a sidebar exchange. It matters because i've never troubled myself with the incredible idiocy which you call your theory, and which is just **** you made-up as you went along. Therefore, my remarks cannot properly be included in a post which quotes objections to that particular stupidity.


Idiot


Loon
voiceindarkness
 
  0  
Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 07:55 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Quote:
Whom, who was "remarking" to whom. Dumb ****. It matters because it wasn't all part of one converstaion, it was a sidebar exchange.
This is an open forum. You made these comments about me. I commented on your remarks, You don't like it? tough ****. you can kiss my ass.
Quote:
It matters because i've never troubled myself with the incredible idiocy which you call your theory, and which is just **** you made-up as you went along. Therefore, my remarks cannot properly be included in a post which quotes objections to that particular stupidity.
It's I've, not i've dumb ass.
This is a thread that I started. If you don't want to focus on the subject matter then why are you here?


Idiot


Loon
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 09:25 am
@voiceindarkness,
Quote:
you can kiss my ass.
Im goin out on a limb here but I dont think Jesus woulda said that.
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 12:43 pm
@voiceindarkness,
And you can eat **** and die, Jesus.
0 Replies
 
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 12:43 pm
Why did you ditch the reefer leaf? Too obvious?
0 Replies
 
voiceindarkness
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 01:07 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
Quote:
You just mount your soapbox of "There is no God and you can"t prove there is one"!
Ive never said this to you.
This is a summation of your premise.
Quote:
You are still delusional. Why are you avoiding anything substantive?
Why are you? As I said,"In the full length of this thread, you have yet to talk on any of my talking points at the beginning of this thread."
My opening statement was...
Imagine, if you will, an infinite moment of creation. The entire infinite universe begins; the illusion of space-time is created. A neutral force of the mind of creation begins to separate two forms of light, negative and positive.
This entire debate has been centered around my statement, "the mind of creation." There is abundant evidence within the observation of the creation, to demonstrate that there is an intelligent mind behind the creation of reality.
Quote:
The domain of science includes only that which is capable of observation and verification.
You have yet to point out what portion of my theory, starting with the entire universe being very hot, and you can read the rest, hopefully with a little open minded visualization, does not co inside with the observations of science.
Quote:
You have exerpted NO evidence. Youve only stated that you can use the same evidence as anyone else.
What else is there? We are looking at the same thing, from two different perspectives. The Big Bang beginning with a concentrated singularity of all of the energy in the universe, released into nothing, and expanding/evolving into the universe as we now see it, and what I said in my opening post.
We both observe the presence of gravity, and clouds of negative energy surrounding nucleus's of positive and neutral energy, separated by a whole lot of nothing.
We also observe light appearing as both wave and particle. And what of the so called "fabric of the universe", and dark energy?
With all of the information and observations available, I have attempted to present an explanation for these things. It takes some visualization on your part to make an attempt to see what I am saying. If you refuse to even look at it, how can we have a conversation?
Is visualizing a theory, not scientific? What about the trampoline and the bowling ball used to explain the bending of space and the presence of gravity?
How stupid is that? If this were true, the earth would spin around the sun in a circle, gradually getting closer, until it eventually falls into it. How would it do otherwise?
Other than gravity, the remainder of the a fore mentioned observations, science doesn't even have an explanation for.
Quote:
This is hardly a scholarly discussion. Its consistant with your brand of idiocy.
That,s your opinion.
Quote:
You stated the "scientific validity" of ID. I dismantled that so you just skipped over the entire issue like some defense attorney whose premise has been shoved up his ass. Familiar position for you?
I believe we are talking about two different things. I'm talking about an intelligence behind the creation of the universe. You are talking about an intelligence within the creation actively involved in the creation process. God spoke, and it became, creating itself, from the first appearance of energy, (positive, negative, and neutral), to the formation of the galaxies.
God spoke to his creation at certain stages of it coming into being to fine tune the location of our sun and moon and the creation of earth. He was involved in the placement of the sun and the moon, which science has proven, is precise and crucial to our existence. He said, let the dry land appear, and let the earth bring forth, He did not have to be actively involved in it, the dry land appeared, and the earth brought forth. God is a spirit, speaking to the energies of creation, to formulate the creation that he is mindful of. Not the vibrations of the air as we understand speaking, in our communication with one another, but the coming together and the vibrations of the energies already present to form the creation that he is mindful of.
Quote:
You brought up the subject, I only provided real evidence where you are wrong. George ob just stumbled in like some drunk to help you out by claiming my post was rehashed discussion. It may be true from his point but as for you, youve only come aboard and are claiming some "scientific credibility" based on your silly hypotheses.
Again, how is my "hypotheses" any sillier than the trampoline and the bowling ball?
Quote:
Evidence is all you have to present. I know you wont cause you cant.
Again, the evidence is already here, I'm only presenting a different perspective.
Quote:
All the rest of your posts are bullshit and fluffy Biblical passages.
Again, your opinion, without much consideration.

Quote:
Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. (is this where
Quote:
Are you claiming that this is valid science??. How bout some evidence.
Try Googling Global Consciousness Project. I'm just saying, is it possible that the seat of consciousness lies in a global consciousness within the energy makeup of our atmosphere?
Revelation Chapter 4
1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.
2 And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Notice the voice said,"come up hither", and it doesn't say John went anywhere. It says,"and immediately I was in the spirit", a transformation into a reality not of the physical. Just something to consider.
Quote:
PS, if your gonna quote people, try to learn how to properly use the quote feature. Its really easy.

OK? How am I using the quote button wrong? Confused
georgeob1
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 01:39 pm
@voiceindarkness,
voiceindarkness wrote:

OK? How am I using the quote button wrong? Confused


You are leaving your own comments within the quote box. It is usual to use the [/quote] feature to separate your comments from those you are quoting, and I suspect your interlocutors find it a bit confusing when you don't.

With respect to the conversation, some of the ideas you are suggesting are possibilities, but not necessary from what we know, or even likely from other perspectives than your own. Moreover, it appears to me that there are other, more fundamental disagreements between you and Setanta & Farmerman that are preventing any meaningful dialogue on them.

I suspect Farmerman and I agree on some essential points with respect to the limitations of science and uncertainties surrounding our existence. However, his distaste for some of the unnecessary excesses of other advocates of intelligent design gets in the way of any dialogue we might have on the subject. Nothing unusual about that - most of us react this way on some issues. I think similar things may be involved in your dialogue above. The foundation of any dialogue is some point of unity or commonality. Without one you are just shouting at each other.
farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 01:39 pm
@voiceindarkness,
Ive dismissed your point . Its not a theory, it has no evidence . I know now that youve stumbled on to somethings you dont feel comfortsble with but have got some "church ;line" that is just a series of rant points.
Ive asked you about ID and youve totally dissed that so why should I waste any more time?
Ive tried discussing why you were cut off by DAwkins and youve skirted that, Ive talked about just one piece of evidence of the BB and you claim it without doscussing HOW?? Your idiocy about light being halted when you view it is equally silly
IO suggest that you and gungasnake should get a room


Quote:
This is a summation of your premise.
You are certainly full of wrong information in this thread

Quote:
Is visualizing a theory, not scientific
A theoory , yes, You have no theory. Its not scientific because your main point of INTELLIGENCE DRIVES CREATION, just sits there like the cartoon of the blackboard showing a huge equation followed by the statement" AND THEN A MIRACLE HAPPENS". SCience doesnt make any claims about this "miracle" and anything that does isnt science . HOW do you even provide any evidence other than incredulousness about how you feel the universe and life COULD NOT be created. SO therefore, yours is totally unscientific and Id wish youd stop trying to fool yourself.

SHow me some evidence of ANYTHING about intelligence and you can be the foirst guy from the DIscovery Inwtitute to even come near to a theory. Till then, keep puffing your bong.

farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 01:48 pm
@farmerman,
HAve a HAppy Thanksgiving all. I have to go and watch Mrs F finish the pies.

0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

If the Universe has no beginning? - Discussion by edgarblythe
Bad News for "Big Bang(TM)" - Discussion by gungasnake
Where did all the antimatter go? - Discussion by CAfrica141
New TV series: Young Sheldon - Discussion by edgarblythe
God's Critical Mass - Question by dalehileman
The New State Religion: Atheism - Question by Expert2
Are evolution and the big bang true? - Discussion by Johnjohnjohn
 
Copyright © 2022 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 01/26/2022 at 12:46:23