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How deep did coverup go in Penn State child sex abuse case?

 
 
ossobuco
 
  1  
Fri 11 Nov, 2011 07:08 pm
@ehBeth,
I suppose I butt in, but does no one care re the connections between campus guards, campus police, and nearby city police? I see them as historically tied, though perhaps not always. Thus I'm not clear where the first observer stopped, after being stopped. But his stopping was reasonable. He'd reported.


Bill Plaschke's report in the LA Times rammifies with this, the connection re the universities as a whole.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/columnists/la-columnist-bplaschke,0,5883852.columnist






ossobuco
 
  1  
Fri 11 Nov, 2011 07:27 pm
@ossobuco,
I can see how people go along to get along at first minutes. I don't get not pulling up and reporting.
ossobuco
 
  1  
Fri 11 Nov, 2011 07:47 pm
@ossobuco,
Geez -
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/11/penn-states-mike-mcqueary-administrative-leave.html
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farmerman
 
  4  
Sat 12 Nov, 2011 05:10 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Do you REALLY expect that tears and pity are going to matter to the victims at this point


I agree 100%. After all, why should we waste any more capital on seeking justice for the Holocaust victims or the victims of sexual abuse by CAtholic priests. Wasting all the time to say "were sorry" or "How can we help to heal you" all that is just a pile of maudlin tripe.
You have a neat way of abrogating any collective responsibility by downplaying the healing process. Very Spencerian of you.
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wmwcjr
 
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Sat 12 Nov, 2011 08:15 pm
Quote:
Penn State Scandal: Mother of Alleged Victim Says Son Was Afraid to Tell Sandusky 'No'



By KEVIN DOLAK
Nov. 11, 2011


The mother of the boy who triggered the investigation into Jerry Sandusky's alleged child sex assaults says that during the years of abuse the boy suffered he felt he didn't have the power to say no to the former Penn State football coach.

Speaking exclusively with George Stephanopoulos on ABC News' "Good Morning America" the mother of the boy, who is referred to in court papers as Victim 1, describes how she learned of the abuse and how her son lived in fear of coming forward to implicate a football coaching legend.

"I had said, 'You know, maybe we should have come to this conclusion earlier -- you should have told me,'" the mother, whose name is being withheld, said she told her son. "He was like, 'Well, I didn't know what to do … you just can't tell Jerry no.'"

Sandusky, now 67, would often have the boy stay at his home after they met when he was 11 in 2005 through the Second Mile program, which the coach founded for at-risk youth. According to the grand jury investigation, Sandusky "indecently fondled Victim 1 on a number of occasions, performed oral sex on Victim 1 on a number of occasions and had Victim 1 perform oral sex on him on at least one occasion."

In the interview, the boy's mother discusses how she gradually became aware of the abuse her son was suffering at Sandusky's hands. Her boy would act out violently to intentionally become grounded and avoid seeing Sandusky, she says, and at one point he came to her saying he wanted to know how to look up information on sex offenders.

"[ I ] proceeded to ask him if there was something he needed to tell me, if there was something going on … it wasn't 'til a month later when he indicated he was uncomfortable with leaving the school with him, and [Sandusky] pulling him out of classes at school," she said.

According to the grand jury presentment that led to Sandusky's arrest last week on 40 counts of molesting eight boys over a 15-year period, the coach had unfettered access to the Clinton County high school attended by Victim 1. Sandusky, who volunteered at the school's varsity football program, would often have unmonitored meetings with the boy. On one occasion a school wrestling coach witnessed inappropriate touching between the two in a secluded weight room, according to the grand jury presentment.

Though she was unable to get any direct answers from her son by prodding him about Sandusky's behavior, the boy's mother expressed her concerns to the school, who in turn spoke with the boy. She was quickly called to the school where she learned more about the situation.

"I'm infuriated … Even if they had the slightest inclination that anything inappropriate was going on it should have been reported, or at least brought to my attention," she said. "I didn't even know he was leaving the school with my child, taking him out of classes. They never told me that."

The school's assistant principal told the grand jury that Sandusky was barred from the school district as soon as the mother had expressed concern about the coach's relationship with her son.

Throughout the course of the investigation and through testimony from her son, the boy's mother has learned what allegedly happened between her boy and Sandusky while he would sleep at the coach's home.

The boy testified that when staying in Sandusky's basement, the coach would come down and get into bed, crawling underneath him and running his arms up and down the boy's back to "crack" it. He testified that this led to further inappropriate touching during the summer of 2005 through 2006, when he was in seventh grade. This soon led to inappropriate sexual contact.

"I was horrified. I was absolutely horrified," Victim 1's mother said. "I knew some details but I didn't know that it was that, I didn't know it was that bad. It's caused a lot of nightmares, for him and I both."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-scandal-mother-victim-son-afraid-sandusky/story?id=14930219




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Page 2 of 2
Nov. 11, 2011


'They All Need to be Gone'

The boy's mother says that she does believe that Penn State head coach Joe Paterno had a moral responsibility to take action once he heard of Sandusky's alleged assault, and agrees that he should have been fired for his silence.

"I think if he had any inclination of this, he may have done what he legally needed to do, but there's got to be some moral bearing, in my opinion. Yes, they all needed to be gone," she said. "The people that hid this need to pay for their actions. They allowed this to happen to a lot of kids."

Though court records indicate that the boy's mother placed one call to Sandusky's cell phone between January 2008 and July 2009 -- after she learned of his alleged abuse -- she told ABC News that she never confronted him.

"The amount of anger that I feel is probably not a good thing, and I've kept my distance. At one point I thought I'd just like to ask him why, why he did this, why he used all these kids and this charity," she said, adding that she believes that the abuse goes far beyond the eight boys that have been identified in the grand jury report as Sandusky's victims.

"I think there's other kids out there, and probably adults at this time. I hope they're brave enough to come forward and stand with us to help for the children ... There's so many years that he was involved in this organization, and so many years that he had access to these children, and I don't believe that it stops at eight," she said.

Her son, she said, does not like to talk openly about what happened -- even with her, though she says their relationship is close. He is a brave kid, she says, and while he wishes the best for Penn State, he is very concerned about this sort of abuse not happening to other children.

"He's doing ok, he's handling it. He's kind of relieved that [Sandusky] was charged finally … It's kind of overwhelming for all of us. We expected it would get big, but we never expected it would be this bad, and so many people covering it up," she said.

"He's a brave kid," she added. "And he'll do whatever it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again."

As for her, she wants Sandusky to pay for his alleged crimes.

"I want justice. I want him to be locked up," she said. "There's no help for someone who does this. Not like this. He needs to be put away. He needs to be put away for a long time."

ABC News' George Stephanopoulos contributed to this report

http://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-state-scandal-mother-victim-son-afraid-sandusky/story?id=14930219&page=2
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 13 Nov, 2011 02:37 am
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:
Penn State Scandal: Mother of Alleged Victim
Says Son Was Afraid to Tell Sandusky 'No'
There is so much accumulated evidence
that I guess the sexual allegations r probably true,
but I have a hard time believing that an 11 year old boy was too shy
to complain to the police, or even to his own mother.
When I was 11, the kids by whom I was surrounded
woud have been quick to put an end to that.





David
BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:39 am
@hawkeye10,
I do find it amazing that anyone would walk away from the raping of a 10 years old boy instead of stopping it.

With special note that the witness was many decades younger and bigger when the rapist.

In Florida rape is call a forcible felony and any citizen is entitle to used deadly force to stop it.
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farmerman
 
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Sun 13 Nov, 2011 05:41 am
@OmSigDAVID,
There is ample evidence that the feelings of guilt that the perp lays on the victim , and the fact that the kids want to trust the perps is almost universal. Its all the art of manipulation that fucks with the kids emotions and enese of trust.
Im sure you are talking from inexperience Dave cause I think that you would be a prime subject for a sexual predators control.
Smart kids are usually loners who are more likely to take up with adults since theyve intellectually outgrown their age peers. (unless they become really bad seeds when its shown that they become really good at leading criminal emterprises). So,Dave, which were you?
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Ragman
 
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Sun 13 Nov, 2011 06:08 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
When I was 11, the kids by whom I was surrounded
woud have been quick to put an end to that.


So that statement proves nothing. What it may prove is the people you THINK you knew were not around this person - this cretin - who was capable as a coach of influencing grown men, much less small children, professionally to do his will. Clearly you don't understand this psychological issue and the 'cult of personality' around the Penn St atmosphere. You insult the victims by your implication that they were too weak or inferior in some way.
farmerman
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 06:33 am
@Ragman,
Heres something I learned this AM. Apparently , after Mqueary had told PAterno about the "event in the showers". PAterno waited more than a week to report the incident to Curley.

Can anyone verify that?

That sets a different focus on this whole mess. It makes PAterno somehow an accomplice after the fact, in that he wants it to go away and , in order to affect that, he tries to allow more time to pass between the event and any potential police follow up.
Ragman
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 07:52 am
@farmerman,
Personally, I can't answer that, but the minutia (or not-so-minutia) is/are flowing currently. Perhaps that will be answered. Perhaps on ESPN or CNN...as a guess.

Some sad stories I can look away from or put of my mind but this one makes me so nauseous but yet I can't seem to filter my attention away from it when it's on the news. I truly wish I could because I feel such a state of despair when I learn more.
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Ragman
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 08:04 am
@farmerman,
I'm think this answers your query. I'll let you sift through the article. Following is an excerpt from the Altoona PA media article. The full article's link is there that mentions Curley-Paterno dynamics and the timing:

"STATE COLLEGE - A former defensive coach who was integral for decades to Penn State's football success was accused Saturday of molesting eight boys, and two school administrators were charged with failing to tell police when a witness told them he saw a boy being sexually assaulted in the shower.

Former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, 67, was arrested Saturday and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts, according to the office of the state attorney general, Linda Kelly. She called Sandusky "a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys."

Though reports surfaced months ago that Sandusky was being investigated, the case took on an added dimension Saturday when Penn State's athletic director, Tim Curley, 57, and vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz, 62, were charged with perjury. Both were expected to turn themselves in on Monday in Harrisburg.

Sandusky could face life in prison if convicted.

Longtime head coach Joe Paterno, who has more victories than any coach in the history of Division I football, was not charged, authorities said, and the grand jury report did not appear to implicate him in wrongdoing. It said that when Paterno first learned of one report of abuse, he immediately reported it to Curley, but Sandusky was no longer coaching at the time and it's not clear whether Paterno followed up with Curley.
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djjd62
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 08:17 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

They quoted from ESPN and USA Today.

Both sources are a joke??


yes, all media outlets are jokes
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farmerman
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 08:44 am
@Ragman,
That story that PAterno reported it IMMEDIATELY is the story that has been somewhat modified based upon the Grand Jury's timelines. What I mentioned was discussed on a HArrisburg radio station yesterday PM. They were exerpting ferom whatever was made public from the GRand Jury.

Ragman
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 11:53 am
@farmerman,
It is so very hard to determine for the casual observer asto what is heresay and what is truth. Credibility of source makes all the dfifference.

Out of curiosity, do you know any of this to be untrue?

"...[Paterno] was not charged, authorities said, and the grand jury report did not appear to implicate him in wrongdoing. It said that when Paterno first learned of one report of abuse, he immediately reported it to Curley, but Sandusky was no longer coaching at the time and it's not clear whether Paterno followed up with Curley."

For me, I think the higher issue is just when were the police notified and with what sort of story. Lies form the Pres and Vice pres of the college?

What the hell caused the police not to arrest Sandusky back in 1999 or 2002?
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Rockhead
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 11:57 am
@farmerman,
I don't remember when or where I read it, but I have Paterno reporting it to Curley the following day.

it then took Curley and company a week to report it to the board, or whoever besides the cops it
was that they reported it to...
Ragman
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 12:03 pm
@Rockhead,
..and then what did the cops see in that report? Did the cops got a laundered watered -down reports of horseplay?
Rockhead
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 12:04 pm
@Ragman,
I don't believe it ever went there. (the cops)

until the grand jury went there...

hence the charges against the two university officials.
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 12:04 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
I don't remember when or where I read it, but I have Paterno reporting it to Curley the following day
There are also reports that Paterno told Sandusky in 1999 that he would not be the next head coach, presumably due to the 1998 event. In other news it is reported that the attorney for Second Mile had knowledge of the 1998 event in 1998, but it was not till ten years latter that they cut off Sandusky's access to boys.
Ragman
 
  1  
Sun 13 Nov, 2011 12:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
I know this adds nothing to putting more light on the subject..but the more I hear of this, the more I feel like puking. I can't focus on the familiarity of the details that are uncontested . I keepn ot being able to retain them.

Maybe they can just hand this Sandusky a blade in the jail. (Yeah yeah..I know..justice wouldn't be served until he stands trial and he meets with his accusers in a court of law).
 

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