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How deep did coverup go in Penn State child sex abuse case?

 
 
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 05:42 pm
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7268172/penn-state-nittany-lions-former-officer-questioned-joe-paterno-player-treatment
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Updated: November 23, 2011, 10:26 AM ET

Report: Treatment of players questioned






CHARLESTON, S.C. -- A former Penn State official charged with enforcing discipline at the school said Tuesday that Joe Paterno's players got in trouble more often than other students, and got special treatment compared to non-athletes.

Vicky Triponey, who resigned her post as the university's standards and conduct officer in 2007, confirmed that she sent a 2005 email to then-president Graham Spanier and others in which she expressed her concerns about how Penn State handled discipline cases involving football players. The Wall Street Journal published excerpts from the email on Tuesday.

Paterno "is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players ... and their status as a student when they commit violations of our standards should NOT be our concern ... and I think he was saying we should treat football players different from other students in this regard," Triponey wrote in the Aug. 12, 2005, email.

"Coach Paterno would rather we NOT inform the public when a football player is found responsible for committing a serious violation of the law and/or our student code," she wrote, "despite any moral or legal obligation to do so."

The email surfaced as Penn State is reeling in the aftermath of criminal charges filed this month against Jerry Sandusky, a former assistant football coach accused of molesting eight boys, some on campus, over a 15-year period.

The scandal has resulted in the ousting of Spanier and Paterno, whom trustees felt did not do enough about one accusation involving a 10-year-old boy. Athletic director Tim Curley has been placed on administrative leave, and vice president Gary Schultz, who was in charge of the university's police department, has stepped down.

Schultz and Curley are charged with lying to a grand jury and failing to report to police, and Sandusky is charged with 40 counts of child sex abuse. All maintain their innocence.

Interviewed by The Associated Press at her Charleston home, Triponey said that throughout her tenure at Penn State there was "an ongoing debate" over who should deal with misconduct by football players.

Her 2005 email was sent the day after a heated meeting in which Paterno complained about the discipline process.

"He knew better than anyone how to discipline them. We wanted to show him the (disciplinary) data and suggest that 'Well, whatever it is we're doing, it's not working.' They're getting into trouble at a greater rate than they should. We wanted to find a way to address that," she said. "The meeting ended up being a one-sided conversation with the coach talking about his frustrations, his anger, his not being happy with the way we were running the system."

Penn State assistant vice president Joe Puzycki, who is responsible for overseeing student discipline, said Paterno did not have the authority to change his office's decisions when football players were sanctioned.

"We adjudicated athlete cases the same as we did any other student," though Paterno was vocal in sharing his opinions, Puzycki said Tuesday night in an email to The Associated Press.

The interactions outlined by Puzycki offer a contrasting view to comments made by Triponey, to whom Puzycki once reported.

"In some cases where Mr. Paterno disagreed with our handling of a situation he would openly articulate that position to me. This position in itself, though, never changed my or my staff's decisions," Puzycki told the AP. "Mr. Paterno in his position as a coach simply did not have the authority to change any of our decisions. That could only be done through formal student appeal or administrative review."

Paterno's lawyer, Wick Sollers, defended his client in a written statement.

"The allegations that have been described are out of context, misleading and filled with inaccuracies," he said. "In the current atmosphere, it is not surprising that every aspect of Penn State University's academics and athletics will be reviewed."

Penn State football has long been regarded as an example of a well-run program that graduates an above-average percentage of its players while operating within the rules and winning on the field. But the Sandusky case has forced a re-examination of the Nittany Lions and Paterno's 46-year tenure as coach, highlighted by two national championships.

A review of Associated Press stories over the last decade shows at least 35 Penn State players faced internal discipline or criminal charges between 2003-09 for a variety of offenses ranging from assault to drunk driving to marijuana possession. One player was acquitted of sexual assault.

Penn State has hired former FBI director Louis Freeh to lead an internal investigation of the Sandusky case, while the NCAA announced last Friday it was launching its own inquiry focused on Sandusky and whether Penn State exercised "institutional control" in handling accusations against him. Asked Tuesday whether other disciplinary cases at Penn State would be reviewed, an NCAA spokeswoman said she had nothing else to say at this time.

Triponey, who arrived at Penn State in 2003 -- four years after Sandusky retired and a year following an alleged assault by him in the football showers -- told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" she was not involved in any conversations with or about the former assistant coach.

She told the AP that pressure to go easier on football players increased as her tenure went on.

"Many times, (because of) the pressure placed on us by the president or the football coach, eventually, we would end up doing sanctions that were not what another student would've got," she said. "It was much less. It was adapted to try to accommodate the concerns of the coach."

Triponey said she's a longtime football fan and worked at universities for most of her career. She said the relationship with coaches was different at other places, citing Randy Edsall, whom she worked with at Connecticut, as an example of someone who ran an open program and helped his players learn from mistakes. Edsall is now head coach at Maryland.

"He would invite us to go on road trips to the away games so we could see inside the program," Triponey said. "But there was a wall at Penn State where we never had that kind of relationship."

Curley and Spanier did not reply to messages for comment. A representative for Curley told the Journal that "he tried to make sure all student athletes were treated equally with regard to the code of conduct."


Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 07:20 pm
@wmwcjr,
The football program is a cash cow for almost every University, and having the best players is hugely important to earning the cash....it is unreasonable to expect a football player to be treated like a regular student under these condition's.....they get treated special because they ARE special.
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2011 07:53 am
http://media.pennlive.com/patriot-news/photo/10263188-large.jpg

http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files//2011/11/100935_600.jpg

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/11/13/toon_a_11113.jpg

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/4ec18506eab8ea8d7c000011/penn-state-collegian-editorial-cartoon.jpg

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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2011 07:03 am
Finally, we need some comic relief (even if the humor is in bad taste, albeit slightly) ...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oK5URVNI0dc/TrgZvJOTVDI/AAAAAAAAKQs/vReIxeJpUMo/s400/6852144-LAS-Iowa-at-Penn-State-Football-10_08_2011-19.44.261.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/masonry/000/197/486/jerry-sandusky-new_team.jpg?1320814465

http://soonerpsycho.com/spfarksandpics/freejerrypedobear.jpg

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nations-10yearold-boys-if-you-see-someone-raping-u,26724/
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sW65ilskOC8/SzUxsWn_Y5I/AAAAAAAAc4M/kew8x9QEgh4/s400/TheOnionLogo.jpg

NEWS
Nation's 10-Year-Old Boys: 'If You See Someone Raping Us, Please Call The Police

''Doesn't Matter Who, Doesn't Matter Where,' Children Say

November 28, 2011 | ISSUE 47•48

http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/26/26724/10Year_Olds-635.jpg
If, for example, these boys were being raped, they would want you to stop reading this and call the police
right away.


UNIVERSITY PARK, PA—In the wake of the sex abuse scandal that rocked Penn State earlier this month, a coalition of 10-year-old boys from across the nation held a press conference Saturday outside Beaver Stadium, home of college football's Nittany Lions, to remind Americans that if they see someone raping a prepubescent boy, they should contact the police immediately.

"Considering that the monstrous acts perpetrated by Jerry Sandusky went unreported for years, even after a fellow coach saw him raping a 10-year-old boy inside the facility behind me, we feel perhaps not everyone is totally clear on what to do if one witnesses such a thing," said spokesperson Joshua Pearson, who was flanked by several of his fifth-grade colleagues. "Many of you will no doubt be relieved to know the proper course of action is really quite simple: Just contact the police. Call 911, go to your local precinct, stop an officer on the street—the bottom line is, if you see one of us getting raped, notify the police, and do so as quickly as possible."

"It doesn't matter who the boy being raped is, and it doesn't matter who is doing the raping, just please, please alert law enforcement," Pearson added as the 10-year-old boys surrounding him nodded soberly. "And by the way, under no circumstances is it ever okay for an adult to rape a 10-year-old boy, so you really can't go wrong by calling the police when something like that happens."

http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/26/26724/10Year_Olds-Jump-R_jpg_600x1000_q85.jpg
This man was spotted raping a 10-year-old boy on Mar. 1, 2002. So the police should have been called
on Mar. 1, 2002. Understand?


Pearson fielded several questions from reporters, such as whether it is okay, when one sees a boy being raped, to wait until after lunch before contacting police, or if it is acceptable to simply inform the rapist in a firm tone that what he is doing is wrong and then leave it at that. The 10-year-old confirmed neither course of action was adequate.

Additionally, Pearson attempted to clear up any confusion as to whether an individual should contact the police even if he or she has been personally acquainted with the rapist for many years.

"We understand the delicacy of the situation when the person committing the rape is a coworker or otherwise someone you know quite well, but as 10-year-old boys with very few ways of protecting ourselves, we still have to insist that you go to the police," Pearson said. "While we appreciate your reporting such acts to a supervisor at work or a trusted clergy member, unfortunately that may not be enough, and it is not the most responsible course of action. As the sad events at Penn State have taught us, there is no way to guarantee the highly important boy-raping information will reach the proper authorities unless you deliver it yourself."

"So, to reiterate: If you ever see a 10-year-old boy being raped—by anyone, at any time, even if it's a Sunday afternoon—it is very, very important that you go directly to the police and clearly explain what you saw, remembering to identify the person who was doing the raping," Pearson continued.

According to Pearson, even if one merely suspects he or she has seen a 10-year-old boy being raped, but is not absolutely certain, it is still a good idea to play it safe and allow police investigators to sort out the situation.

"Wouldn't you be left with egg on your face if that little boy was actually being raped and you didn't tell the police!" said Pearson, drawing a big laugh from the gathered crowd.

The nation's 10-year-olds unanimously echoed Pearson's sentiments, imploring people to contact police not only when they see prepubescent boys being raped, but, in fact, when they see anyone at all being raped, in any context.

"Certainly, if you were to see me being raped, I would want you to call the police—I'm a 10-year-old boy who couldn't possibly give my consent, or even fully grasp the horror of what was happening to me," Sioux Falls, SD resident Nick Kealey, 10, said between games of Mario Kart DS. "What's really at issue here is the act of rape itself. So, yes, if you see a 10-year-old boy like me being raped, by all means, call the police. But don't just walk on by if you see, say, a teenage girl being raped in a locker room, or even a full-grown man being raped in an alleyway. These are also situations in which you should definitely call the police, and right away."

"Seeing any person get raped at any time, even just once, is more than enough reason to contact the police," Kealey added. "I can't stress that enough."

Following Saturday's announcement, police stations around the country reported a flood of incoming phone calls.


Mr. Green
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2011 11:18 pm
@wmwcjr,
If that had happend to ME, when I was that age,
he 'd surely have gotten shot, several times, if I coud possibly line up the shots.

If not, and if I survived the event,
for sure I 'd have called the police myself -- very, very quickly; as soon as I reached a fone.


As to the question of "consent" that Mr. Pearson raised:
it is inconceivable that any 10 year old woud approve of sex with an adult male, (like Sandusky).





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 12:47 am
@OmSigDAVID,
My my David where would your ten years old version hide the gun when you was naked and in a shower?

Sorry I should not had ask............................. Drunk
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 01:13 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
My my David where would your ten years old version hide the gun
when you was naked and in a shower?

Sorry I should not had ask............................. Drunk
I guess u cawt me, Bill.
At that age, I had not yet begun to carry my stainless steel mirror .44 revolver.
I had not upgraded.

At age 10, I had not yet understood the concept of STOPPING POWER.
I was still using a blued .38 revolver because I did not know
what happened in the Philippine Insurrection of 1899.
I did not carry the .38 into the shower.

( Well, candor moves me to admit that I don 't take my .44
into the shower, either. I think my bathroom is secure enuf.)

If I were unarmed at the time n place of the felony,
and if I survived the event, I 'd get to a fone as soon as possible
and dial O for Operator. (That 's how we got thru to the police.)
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 02:11 am
@BillRM,
As an ACTUAL, practical matter, Bill,
it woud not have happened to me,
in that it was my long established practice to refuse
to engage in competitive athletics; accordingly,
I 'd not have been sweated up from any such activity, requiring any shower in school,
nor did I have any interest, however slight, in attending any ball games
as a member of the audience, as Sandusky did,
taking along some of his alleged victims.





David
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 09:37 am
Speaking of showers ...

http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/film/gallery/2008/jul/21/1/psycho630-4075.jpg

If only she had been armed ... Crying or Very sad
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 09:48 am
@wmwcjr,
Yeah,
or had a reliable bodyguard.

Truth be told, I woudn't wanna get soap on the gun.
Its just not right.





David
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 10:29 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Heh ...

http://sleepless.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341d019153ef01156fc70ba1970c-800wi

You're right. Smile
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 11:16 am
@wmwcjr,
Its very rong to subject them to soap n water.

Thay don 't like that.

(That was good cyber-hunting, tho.)
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 12:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Thank you. (It's fun posting pictures, and you never know what you might find when you do Google image searches.) Smile

By the way, David (and everyone else who reads this post) ...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-a4IUQqFV0dg/ThhVz6tMQII/AAAAAAAAA8s/6zZSCPLqExQ/s640/Happy-New-Years-Eve-animated.gif

(So I'm looking ahead ... Neutral )
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 05:43 pm
@wmwcjr,
HAPPY NEW YEAR, Bill!!!!!

I hope that your 2012 will be much more JOYFUL than any year so far,
but only a tiny fraction as gleeful as all subsequent years for u!

(How do u conduct the picture searches??)





David

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 05:46 pm

I hope that was only a toy
gun under those soap bubbles.

Otherwise, the National Association Against Firearms Abuse will hear of this!





David
roger
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 05:50 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
It seems to have a certain toyfull look about it.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 06:00 pm
@roger,
Let's hope.





David
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2011 09:09 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Re: wmwcjr (Post 4840223)
HAPPY NEW YEAR, Bill!!!!!

I hope that your 2012 will be much more JOYFUL than any year so far,
but only a tiny fraction as gleeful as all subsequent years for u!

Thank you, David. I hope you will have a good year, too. Smile

OmSigDAVID wrote:
(How do u conduct the picture searches??)

When you set up the Google search, choose "Image" instead of "Web." Before you click on "Google Search," type in a word or two inside the long rectangular box to identify what you are searching for. I found the image of the soapy gun simply by doing an image search on -- you guessed it -- "soapy gun."You'd be surprised; there are online images of just about everything. For example, I just found some images for "pumpkin puke."
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 11:50 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
PSU trustees: Sandusky investigated by three prior grand juries
By CDT staff reports — State College - Centre Daily Times
Jan 19, 2012

UNIVERSITY PARK — Penn State trustees said there were three grand jury investigations into Jerry Sandusky prior to the one that led to the charges being filed.

"We were told in May of 2011, by Cynthia Baldwin, this was the fourth grand jury that was convened. The prior three led to no charges,” trustee Mark Dambly said during a 20-minute interview with the Centre Daily Times at the Nittany Lion Inn.

Baldwin is the university’s in-house counsel. She was with former athletic director Tim Curley and now retired administrator Gary Schultz when they testified in January 2011 before a grand jury investigating child sex abuse charges against the former defensive coordinator.

Dambly said Baldwin told trustees during a quick briefing -- described as five minutes long -- during the trustees meeting last year. He said he didn't know further details.

Baldwin was not in her office in Old Main Thursday morning. Her assistant said she'd relay a message from reporters seeking comment.

Senior Deputy Attorney General Marc Costanzo said he had no information about any prior grand juries and declined to comment further.

University spokesman Bill Mahon said he had heard there were prior grand juries but didn't know details.

Several trustees are meeting with state and local media today as part of a public relations effort to explain the board’s side of the story.

"We felt it was in the best interest of the university community to explain what happened and why we made the decisions we made," trustee Joel N. Myers said.

The board will meet for its regular meeting at 10:15 a.m. Friday at the Nittany Lion Inn. A press conference will follow the meeting, at about 3 p.m.

The Centre Daily Times will provide ongoing coverage throughout the day. Check back to CentreDaily.com for updates.

Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/01/19/3058390/psu-trustees-sandusky-investigated.html#storylink=cpy
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2012 12:24 pm
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
one of my associates is running for one of the three Trustee positions on the PEnn STate Board. He feels that everybody should be fired
 

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