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How deep did coverup go in Penn State child sex abuse case?

 
 
wmwcjr
 
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Wed 7 Dec, 2011 06:11 pm
I thought it had stopped, but the outrage keeps coming. Sad A total lack of empathy ... how unnatural. This was more than an instance of bullying; this was an instance of revictimizing a victim of childhood trauma ... the ultimate in moral rot. Evil or Very Mad

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/alleged_jerry_sandusky_victim.html
Quote:
Alleged Jerry Sandusky victim leaves school because of bullying, counselor says

Published: Sunday, November 20, 2011, 7:10 PM Updated: Monday, November 21, 2011, 7:06 AM

By SARA GANIM, The Patriot-News The Patriot-News


Victim One, the first known alleged victim of abuse by former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky, had to leave his school in the middle of his senior year because of bullying, his counselor said Sunday.

Officials at Central Mountain High School in Clinton County weren’t providing guidance for fellow students, who were reacting badly about Joe Paterno’s firing and blaming the 17-year-old, said Mike Gillum, the psychologist helping his family. Those officials were unavailable for comment this weekend.

The name-calling and verbal threats were just too much, he said.

Other alleged victims are turning to each other for support, since they fear others will out them and cause a media swarm. The only encouragement for Victim One, Gillum said, is watching other alleged victims come forward because they felt empowered by his courage.

"He feels good about that," Gillum said. "That’s the one good that’s come of all this."
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 7 Dec, 2011 06:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
UPDATE: Jerry Sandusky was led away from his Pennsylvania home in handcuffs Wednesday after police arrested the former Penn State football coach on new child sex abuse charges brought by two new accusers, the Washington Post reports.

The new accusers came forward in the wake of the earlier allegations against Sandusky. ABC News reports that, according to the state AG, both met Sandusky through his Second Mile charity and have offered accounts of the alleged molestation that are similar to the previous accusations made by others.

The new charges include involuntary deviate sexual intercourse and unlawful contract with a minor. The new charges will reportedly be included in the preliminary hearing already scheduled for next week.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/11/22/jerry_sandusky_s_trial_delayed_one_week.html

Is this the new routine, the state doing a perp walk each and every time they decide to add to the charges? Fabulous. Once upon a time the state allowed people to turn themselves in, on the rare occasions that a new booking was required, but it appears that we are not that civilized anymore.
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hawkeye10
 
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Wed 7 Dec, 2011 06:36 pm
@wmwcjr,
Quote:
I thought it had stopped, but the outrage keeps coming. A total lack of empathy ... how unnatural. This was more than an instance of bullying; this was an instance of revictimizing a victim of childhood trauma ... the ultimate in moral rot


That is alleged victim buddy..maybe this kid is getting a hard time for accusing an innocent man, until you know the guilt or innocents of Sandusky you dont know.
wmwcjr
 
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Wed 7 Dec, 2011 06:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
The kids don't care about the innocence or guilt of Sandusky. They're upset over the firing of Paterno, and they're blaming the "alleged" victim for it. Perhaps the kids who drove him out of school should have reserved their judgment, don't you think?
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 7 Dec, 2011 07:01 pm
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:

The kids don't care about the innocence or guilt of Sandusky. They're upset over the firing of Paterno, and they're blaming the "alleged" victim for it. Perhaps the kids who drove him out of school should have reserved their judgment, don't you think?


This is a free speech issue for me, we should always have the freedom to say that we dont like someone and why, and to tell them that we think that they have done wrong. We are currently on a tear trying to criminalize those who dont follow the age old guideline "if you dont have something nice to say then dont say anything at all". Violating this standard should never be a criminal act, but that is where the nanny state is trying to go with the anti-bullying laws. There existence is another indication that it is time to take an axe to the state, that it needs to be massively cut back.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 7 Dec, 2011 07:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
Your Quixotic tilts are often interesting, but you are soooo off the mark on this one.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 7 Dec, 2011 08:11 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Your Quixotic tilts are often interesting, but you are soooo off the mark on this one.


What is off?
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wmwcjr
 
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Wed 7 Dec, 2011 11:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
What about the "alleged' victim's right to get an education?
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 12:05 am
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:

What about the "alleged' victim's right to get an education?
Nobody got in the way of that, he choose to go get his education in another place, he neither needed to do that nor was ever in jeopardy of not being able to get his education. Those who claim to be victims do not always get everything they want, nor should they, nor are they necessarily being re-abused if they do not.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 12:05 am
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:
What about the "alleged' victim's right to get an education?
Has he sought the advice of counsel in this regard
(if he was the victim of interference) ?





David
wmwcjr
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 01:04 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I have no idea, David.

Good to see you. Wink
wmwcjr
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 01:05 am
http://deadspin.com/5862285/sandusky-victims-mother-on-community-now-our-football-team-is-going-to-lose-and-its-all-because-of-your-son

Quote:
Sandusky Victim’s Mother Recalls Town Reaction: "Our Football Team Is Going To Lose And It’s All Because Of Your Son"




By Dom Cosentino
Nov 23, 2011 4:20 PM

Two stories have been published today that shed a harrowing light on the awful circumstances faced by the boy identified by the Penn State grand jury summary as Victim 1:

1. The Huffington Post's Ryan D. Buell interviewed the boy's mother several times, and his story summarizing what she had to say includes plenty of details about how badly her son was mistreated at Central Mountain High School—by skeptical administrators as well as cruel fellow students and others in the community. The boy withdrew from attending Central Mountain last week.

2. Nate Schweber and Jo Becker of the New York Times do their best to profile Victim 1 by talking to some of those who know him. Two themes are covered: The account of a friend of the boy who went along for an outing that included Sandusky and Victim 1; and the story of a track coach who had carved out a role as the boy's mentor, only to get fired once the boy began tuning him out and the school got wind of the coach's efforts to try to get through to him.

According to the Huffington Post, Victim 1's mother says administrators at Central Mountain were "not helpful." She was incensed to learn Sandusky was frequently able to take her son out of class, and that even after she complained, she was greeted with resistance:

"The principal just waved it off, saying, 'You know, it's Jerry. He's around the school a lot and talks a lot with Second Mile kids. He has a heart of gold.' I was furious. They were defending this guy."

That initial skepticism was perhaps understandable, given what was known about Sandusky to the outside world at the time. But even after the school allowed the boy to speak with a counselor, after which the mother was told to come to the school immediately, that skepticism lingered.

After her son made the allegation—but before it was known publicly—the mother says she was confronted by the grandmother of a football player at the school, who began berating her. When the mother asked how the woman knew about her son's allegations against Sandusky, the woman said Steven Turchetta, the Central Mountain football coach, had brought it up at a recent parents' meeting. Turchetta's name is in the grand jury report, which says his testimony corraborated portions of Victim 1's story. Sports Illustrated also spoke with Turchetta for its lengthy cover story about the Penn State scandal and even referred to him as "one of the few good guys in a sordid story." But Victim 1's mother clearly sees him differently:

According to Mother One, the woman added, "Coach Turchetta said these charges are never going to stick and he'll walk away."

"She never asked me if the charges were true. She just finished up with, 'Thanks a lot. Now our football team is going to lose and it's all because of your son.'"

Mother One said that Turchetta found ways to target her son as punishment for getting Sandusky removed from school grounds.

Although Turchetta didn't coach her son directly, his role as assistant principal and his involvement in the sports department gave him influence over other sports programs within the school. Mother One claims her son developed a close bond with a 28-year-old volunteer coach, which Turchetta abruptly ended.

One day, she recalled, her son told her that Turchetta was in his face, yelling at him: "With what you've done already, no 28-year-old man needs to be around you."

"I think he was accusing my son of having some kind of relationship with him," she said. "That's how my son took it, too."

Mother One said it was Turchetta's hostility, coupled with fears for her son's safety, that led her to remove her son from the school last week.

[...]

Mother One said she is also troubled by what she believes are inconsistencies with the school officials' testimonies in the grand jury report. She points out that Turchetta claims he became suspicious of Sandusky's behavior and actions around certain students.

"If he suspected something was going on then why didn't he report it?" she asked.


Victim 1's mother says the school continued to show indifference to her fears for her son's safety, that he has nightmares "every night," and that he lives in constant fear of being abused again. Humor, in the form of watching Adam Sandler movies, has helped, as has the knowledge that his coming forward might work to prevent additional victims from being abused.

In the Times's story, Sandusky's lawyer, Joe Amendola, is quoted as saying Sandusky "was always a very physical kind of teddy bear, like an overgrown kid" who "would hug kids, he kissed kids, but it wasn't sexual." In the summer of 2008, a friend of Victim 1 talks about going to dinner with Sandusky and his wife, Dottie. At which point, the Times adds:

Then Sandusky drove everyone home. First, he dropped off his wife and her friend, the friend said. Then the third boy. At the boy's house, the friend was asked to exit the car first. The friend left the vehicle, but glanced back inside and saw Sandusky holding the boy's hand.

The next day, the friend's mother was in tears. She had received a call from the boy's mother, and now she had an urgent question for her own son: "Had Sandusky touched him the day before?"

The friend's mother told her son "stuff was going on that was inappropriate" between the boy and Sandusky. The boy's mother had said she was in the process of reporting it to the authorities.

The friend quickly called the boy. They met and talked, but little explicit was said.

"He had this look on his face like something happened," the friend said. "I thought, ‘I'm not going to ask, I'm just going to let it go.' " He added, "There are just some things you don't want to know."


But it was Thom Hunter, a track coach, who developed into "an adult male who would neither abandon nor harm [Victim 1]" by way of his encouragement of the boy's running ability and his unwavering support after the boy was involved in a terrible car accident in October of last year. Hunter appears to be the 28-year-old coach from the HuffPo story who was dissuaded by Turchetta, the Central Mountain football coach, from getting too close to Victim 1.

Hunter says he was not aware until this summer that the by might have been one of Sandusky's alleged victims, though he did recall being told in the spring of 2009 that no adults were permitted to be alone with the boy. The two were close enough that, when the boy began to abandon his track regimen this summer, Hunter sent him an email pleading with the boy not to throw away his ability. And then, the Times says:

The boy was taken aback by the challenging e-mails sent to him by his mentor, Hunter. He didn't want to hear that his coach thought he needed more discipline. Hunter guessed that another coach at the school must have overheard the boy talking about Hunter's guidance and asked to see the e-mail. But Hunter said all he knew for sure was that the boy had turned over the correspondence to a school official.

Hunter had been arrested for public intoxication two years ago, but he says the school never mentioned that when it fired him as a coach in September of this year. The track team rallied in Hunter's defense and even made a trip to Hunter's house, where many of them wept. None more so than Victim 1. From the Times:

"I can't talk about it now, but you'll all find out eventually," the boy said that day, according to two people present.

Indeed, Hunter said that when the boy first walked into his coach's home, he had said, "You're going to hit me, you're going to hate me, this is all my fault."

Hunter said he reassured the boy that would not happen. "You can't build a relationship over three years and have it end like that," he said he told the boy. "You didn't do anything wrong."
BillRM
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 06:03 am
@wmwcjr,
When there is a bus accidence it is not unknown for passersby to board the bus in order to get a share of any insurance payouts.

Given the millions upon millions of dollars in civil settlements now up for grab one wonder how many of the children/or now adults coming forward are of the same mind set as those people who will board a bus after seeing an accidence.

BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 11:34 am
@BillRM,
December 7, 2011
Testimony of Sandusky's alleged victim's from the latest grand jury report
By Anne Danahy | Centre Daily Times

What started with outings to football games and gifts turned into overnight visits, touching and finally sexual assaults, according to the testimony of a young man that’s recounted in the latest report from the Grand Jury investigating Jerry Sandusky.

The man, identified by the grand jury as Victim 9, testified that many of the assaults took place in a basement bedroom where he spent most of his time in the Sandusky home, even taking meals there, according to the grand jury report.

“The victim testified that on at least one occasion he screamed for help, knowing that Sandusky’s wife was upstairs, but no one ever came to help him,” the presentment states.

Sandusky was arraigned Wednesday 12 additional charges involving sexual abuse of that boy and another boy identified in the presentment as Victim 10.

Sandusky’s attorney, Joe Amendola, said Wednesday that his client maintains he is innocent.

The allegations are similar to those described in the grand jury report issued Nov. 5, which accused the former Penn State football coach of sexually abusing eight boys over 15 years.

As in the previous cases, the grand jury heard testimony that Sandusky met the two latest alleged victims through Second Mile activities. Sandusky started that organization in 1977 to help at-risk young people.

The man identified as Victim 9, now 18 years old, was 11 or 12 years old when he met Sandusky at a Second Mile camp in or around 2004, according to the grand jury. Sandusky later took the boy to football games, provided him with money and picked him up from school on Friday afternoons to spend nights at Sandusky’s house, according to the grand jury report.

The boy spent nights at Sandusky’s house and stayed with him at a hotel in the State College area, according to the report. He testified that what he first took as affection -- hugging, tickling, cuddling -- became sexual assaults.

“I took it at first he was just a nice guy, like he went to church every weekend, his kids would come over every once in a while and stuff,” he is quoted as saying the report. “And after a while, like, he got used to me and stuff and started getting further and further, wanting -- to touchy feely.”

The report says that during the overnight visits, which occurred when he was 12 to 15 years old, that he always stayed in a basement bedroom, and had “barely any” contact with Sandusky’s wife, Dorothy.

The person identified in the grand jury report as Victim 10 said he became involved with The Second Mile in 1997 when he was 10 because of trouble in his home life.

As with Victim 9, the report outlines how Sandusky allegedly began to take him out and inappropriately touch him.

“Sandusky took Victim 10 shopping, buying him gifts of clothes and shoes,” the report reads. “Sandusky frequently told the boy that he loved him.”

Both of the alleged victims contacted authorities after Sandusky’s arrest on other charges.

Attorney General Linda Kelly said in a news release that the investigation continues.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/07/132483/victims-testimony-from-the-latest.html#ixzz1fxvMOrvv
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Thu 8 Dec, 2011 11:59 am
@BumbleBeeBoogie,
We saw this in the DSK case as well, where the DA apparently feels just fine with tainting the jury poll with the prejudicial presentation of the grand jury report, which the DA himself crafted with his choices of who to call and what to ask . The state these days is willing to throw every rock they can find at those citizens whom they accuse, justice is but a faint memory in our "justice" system.
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wmwcjr
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 01:39 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Re: wmwcjr (Post 4817556)
When there is a bus accidence it is not unknown for passersby to board the bus in order to get a share of any insurance payouts.

Given the millions upon millions of dollars in civil settlements now up for grab one wonder how many of the children/or now adults coming forward are of the same mind set as those people who will board a bus after seeing an accidence.

That certainly is a valid point. But I have difficulty with the notion that someone would make a false accusation if he knew that he would be intensely persecuted for doing so, as appears to be the case with (alleged) victim 1. I'd think that a sane person would prefer to avoid being subjected to such persecution; it just wouldn't be worth it. That's just my opinion.

We all have opinions. We'll just have to wait and see what develops; and I figure that's going to take a long time, possibly years. In the meantime, though, the ugliness that this scandal has revealed is appalling.

By the way, Bill, I appreciate having an exchange of this sort with you and hawkeye10 without the ad hominen attacks that are so common in online fora. Just to be clear, I'm not implying that the two of you have been especially prone to making such personal attacks. I'm just making a general observation. In other words, that's not a criticism; it's a compliment. Smile
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 01:55 pm
@wmwcjr,
Quote:
That certainly is a valid point. But I have difficulty with the notion that someone would make a false accusation if he knew that he would be intensely persecuted for doing so, as appears to be the case with (alleged) victim 1. I'd think that a sane person would prefer to avoid being subjected to such persecution; it just wouldn't be worth it. That's just my opinion.
I have not heard much evidence that there is a big down side to joining the crowd of accusers, and the upside is tabulated in the millions of dollars. The reasonable rational opportunist would I think elect to go for it.
BillRM
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 01:58 pm
@wmwcjr,
I agree that it likely that the man is guilty of misconduct to put it mildly but we do have a problem where there known to be many many millions in future civil settlements at stake in must credit we should give on it face when more and more and more victims are showing up.
wmwcjr
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 02:17 pm
@wmwcjr,
I wrote:
Re: OmSigDAVID (Post 4817510)
I have no idea, David.

Good to see you.


I see that I've received a "thumbs down" for an innocuous post. Is greeting someone in a topic a violation of onliine etiquette? Is it verboten to greet OmSigDAVID because he's a pariah? Confused I know there's at least one A2K member who hates my guts. Perhaps he did it. Who cares?

It's fun speculatin'. Mr. Green
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 8 Dec, 2011 02:19 pm
@wmwcjr,
Quote:
I see that I've received a "thumbs down" for an innocuous post. Is greeting someone in a topic a violation of onliine etiquette? Is it verboten to greet OmSigDAVID because he's a pariah?


Plus you have not been properly hostile to Bill and me.


Your reputation is FUCKED now buddy boy!
 

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