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Racist costumes being banned

 
 
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 01:27 pm
@Setanta,
I think your dogs want to go outside...
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 01:29 pm
@Rockhead,
We just came in from a long walk, Grandma . . . i'm in for the evening.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 01:32 pm
@Setanta,
wipe your feet...
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 02:00 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384107_311830085500933_100000218335181_1455781_1520957752_n.jpg
How's this for politically incorrect?
I LOVE it.
I have a T shirt that says: "ALCOHOL, TOBACCO and FIREARMS
shoud be a convenience store, not a government agency "

but your costumes r better.





David
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Linkat
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 03:41 pm
@chai2,
funny the differences - my daughter would say brown skin kinda like saying blue eyes or brown eyes. They simply describe it.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 03:45 pm
@Linkat,
Meantime no one looks up chicky on urban dictionary - I admit it is more problematic by a bit than chica is, but the first examples aren't annoying to this feminista, however it may work in local or personal usage - the tone is the thing, I say again.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:21 pm
I apologize to the other participants on this thread for my contributions to the lowering of the civility.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:25 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Meantime no one looks up chicky on urban dictionary - I admit it is more problematic by a bit than chica is, but the first examples aren't annoying to this feminista, however it may work in local or personal usage - the tone is the thing, I say again.


Just out of curiosity, I looked it up:

Chickie-
A "cuter" way to call someone a chick. This definition is often debated due to its scarce use.

Wow that chickie really knows how to dance.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chickie
sublime1
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:41 pm
@snood,
Snood, I'm curious if you think it is inappropriate even if someone is dressing up as someone specific like Flava Flav or Hendrix. I have seen both pulled off by white guys in blackface perfectly.

Mame
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:43 pm
@snood,
It certainly wouldn't have offended me, but then, I'm hard to offend.

I thought of it as a sort of endearment when you said it, rather than an insult.

Edit: And Osso's right, the tone is the thing. I didn't get that you meant it offensively.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:52 pm
@Mame,
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chicky
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 04:58 pm
@ossobuco,
Well, there you go - nothing offensive here:

1. chicky
Chique, hot, cool. A la mode.
The girl was chicky, all eyes looked on her as she entered the room.

2. chicky
Used to describe one's girlfriend or present female of interest.(whatever their relationship may be.)

OR

"What was chickys' name again, The one I was talking with the other night?"
"I dont know, you were talking to a lot of chickies last night broha.

3. chicky
an awesome girl who is shorty's bff. together we rule da world

4. Chicky
A very attractive girl, that once you look at her, you won't stop staring. Usually a girl most guys want to date because of her sophistication and looks. An extemely beautiful and sophisticated girl. A very Chicky girl, will have you staring at her just praising her beauty.

In Newfoundland, most women are referred to as "missus" and the guys are all "buddy". This seems the same.


ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 05:03 pm
@Mame,
Yeh, and like lady, a word I railed against on a2k quite a while ago, it can be used well meant or .. snakily or flat out obnoxiously. ehBeth remembers.

I took Snood's use of chicky as humored and well meaning.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 07:32 pm
What a strange thread.

2 Cents

I am a believer that taking offense has become a way for some people to seize power and authority.

I don't think anyone is trying to stop people from taking offense or from expressing the offense they've taken, but no one is required to take that offense seriously which seems to be the game's new rules and the ones the people I refer to above rely upon.

I would suggest that most (but by no means all) of the people participating in this thread have sufficient sensitivity to appreciate that a person's expressed offense should at times (and perhaps at most times) be taken seriously and either an apology or a change in behavior is warranted. This, of course, doesn't mean that announcing "I'm offended!" is all it should take.

People can feel offended for no good reason or for such a bizarre reason that no one can be found guilty for not respecting their feeling.

Although snood tried to stack the cards with the addition of watermelon and chicken and Ebonics, I don't think it's unreasonable to have a problem with a white person using blackface. We all know the history of blackface and its degrading associations.

I do, however, question whether the girl in the photo knows and appreciates the history. If she doesn't, it's hard to describe her wearing the particular costume as offensive. Again, anyone can take offense to anything but we are not all obliged to respect that offense if the source had no malintent.

The character she is portraying is one we see black women themselves portray in the movies and TV (never mind real-life examples), and they are not doing so to make a point about stereotypes. The young women that can be seen surrounding rappers in music videos are not trying to make an ironic statement. If black women can portray this character without offending their race, I don't know why white women can't.

The whites in minstrel shows didn't use blackface alone (as Olivier did in his portrayal of Othello) they exaggerated facial expressions with wide opened eyes and large grinning mouths. Typically they made up their mouths to suggest large red lips and wore nappy wigs. All of this was intended to portray a black character that, in fact, didn't exist except in white mockery.

I would not like to see my daughter in this costume attending a party, but I can't say she never would and I know she is less of a racist than I am simply being part of a different generation.

Unlike me she didn't grow up in a time and place where it was accepted that blacks were quite different from whites, and obviously not just in terms of skin color. While "sensitive" liberal families like mine only used "negro," "colored" was the more prevalent term in my NY metro neighborhood and "nigger" was by no mean unheard of. As very young kid we used the word in reciting "eeny meeny" without even knowing what we were saying. In NY at that time, Negroes lived in segregated neighborhoods and so even though we lived in a far less than affluent white neighborhood, there were no black families within miles. By the time I left NY in 1985, it was pretty much the same exact way in terms of segregation.

Some in my generation learned that there was nothing intrinsically different between whites and black, but it's hard to overcome the conditioning of youth and to change the sense of difference that was the normal way of life for so long.

Fortunately my kids grew up in a different time and a different place (Charlotte NC) where our next store neighbors in a fairly affluent neighborhood were a black family who we became good friends with. Not only were the neighborhoods integrated so were the schools and words like Negro and colored were no longer considered for usage and every kid on the block knew that the N-Word was terrible to use.

By the time they reached HS black kids from the poorer parts of the city were being bused to their school. These kids were a lot different, but not because they were black but because they were poorer, a lot tougher, and a lot more raw. My kids and their friends (white and black alike) made "fun" of the kids they called Ghetto or Gangsters like they made "fun" of the nerds and Goths, and it wouldn't have shocked me seeing one of them dressing up for a Halloween party as a Ghetto Chic or Gangbanger anymore than it would have shocked me to see them dress up like nerds or Goths (I think they also called them emos. I’m not sure if there is a difference between the two)

So while I would have cringed seeing my daughter dress up as a Ghetto Chic, I'm sure it would not have been the equivalent of a performer in a minstrel show and fairly sure that none of the bigotry I saw and participated in as a kid would have been associated with it.

Nevertheless, that's easy for me to say and no doubt snood has a legitimate reason to be more sensitive to blackface on whites. It just may be unjustified in this case is all.

As for the other costumes found objectionable, give me a break. Even the Arab with a bomb is a character we can find in real life and anyone wearing that costume wouldn't have been suggesting that all Arabs are terrorists.

If a black kid shaved his head, wore hobnailed boots and suspenders, and put on whiteface and painted a red swastika on his forehead, I might find it striking, but I certainly wouldn't be offended, and if I declared I was and demanded the kid change, I would hope he, politely, told me to buzz off.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 08:43 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
I am a believer that taking offense has become a way for some people to seize power and authority

DUH....it is the classic victim power play, which is used often these days and is usually used effectively. Very very few people are able to counter it, because they have been poorly raised and have been poorly educated. We must try to separate justified offense from power moves, so all claims of offense must be considered, but the vast majority of claims are rejected if justice is allowed to rule.
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thack45
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 09:06 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
There's still a road ahead. But I think with every year there are more and more young people wondering why a bunch of old farts are still clinging to their ridiculous proclivities.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 10:37 pm
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yvEgF69Vv5Q/Sn4egrCeU8I/AAAAAAAADlo/1gSsLMLKhFU/s400/suicide-bomber-halloween-costume1.jpg
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2011 12:30 am
@shewolfnm,
shewolfnm wrote:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yvEgF69Vv5Q/Sn4egrCeU8I/AAAAAAAADlo/1gSsLMLKhFU/s400/suicide-bomber-halloween-costume1.jpg


Now THAT's offensive!!
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2011 01:39 am
@Lustig Andrei,

shewolfnm wrote:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yvEgF69Vv5Q/Sn4egrCeU8I/AAAAAAAADlo/1gSsLMLKhFU/s400/suicide-bomber-halloween-costume1.jpg
Lustig Andrei wrote:
Now THAT's offensive!!
Especially when he detonates
aidan
 
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Reply Sun 30 Oct, 2011 02:51 am
I was just reminiscing about childhood Halloweens and remembered that a very popular costume, especially among teenagers (who WERE allowed to continue trick or treating where I lived) was that of a bum. That's what we called it, when someone asked 'What are you going as?' We'd answer - 'Oh something easy to do - just a bum or a hobo or something.'
And then you'd mess your hair up and put on some ripped and dirty clothes - maybe use one of your Dad's old suit jackets over your jeans or something - rub dirt on your face and find an empty Jack Daniel's or wine bottle to carry around and that was your costume.
Is that offensive? In the scheme of things, thinking about it now, it seems a little insensitive - but back then we never even thought a thing about it.

I was often a gypsy - even as an adult- that was my costume of choice. You're not even supposed to use the WORD 'gypsy' over here; it's thought to be offensive here in England - you're supposed to say 'traveller' or 'Romany', so I wonder how being a 'gypsy' would be received by the pc crowd.

I hesitate to admit this, because I don't know what I think about it myself, but way back in our 20's when we used to go all out for Halloween parties, my husband, who was black, once put on a wig and wore a ball or something under his shirt to make himself look pregnant and gathered about four black baby dolls and went to his work Halloween party as a welfare mother. I took a picture of it - everyone thought it was hysterical. I mean, he didn't have to use blackface and the welfare mother was only black because he was black himself, but is that offensive? He thought it was funny.
If he'd been white he could have done the same thing - just had a woman's wig with curlers in it and a cigarrette hanging out of her mouth as she's obviously pregnant with yet another kid.
He also went as Long Dong whats-his-name- the porn star that came up in the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas sexual harrassment hearings that were going on at that time.
Is that offensive - you know the stereotype about black men...

I don't know - I don't find this stuff offensive. It's life innit?
But I recognize and understand that other people might. It's never really come up for me - I just like wearing sparkly, flowy skirts and dangly jewelry and calling myself a gypsy on Halloween. Hope that doesn't offend anyone.
 

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