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hamburger wrote:

ehbeth and i have agreed that we should be saluting THE FIRST MATE smartly from now on !

That's what I'm really entitled to! :wink:
(The two times, I gave gave an order ['Clean the upper deck'], the response had been 'Do it yourself'])

Thanks for the links - will have a look later (up and away with mother for her eye operation now).

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ik ben ook altijd te laat met het horen van Nederlandse kinderliedjes (hoewel ik ze zelf wel onderhand ken)...deze topic is tenminste wel goed om eens te zien welke Nederlandse hier allemaal rondzwerven. heeft Brian trouwens al die oude Nederlandse - als het Nederlands is - tekst gegeven? En ik vind dat het tijd is voor Sinterklaasliedjes:

"Sinterklaas kapoentje
gooi wat in mijn schoentje
gooi wat in mijn laarsje
dank u Sinterklaasje"

This is a authentic Sinterklaas song. Sinterklaas is not Santa Claus, although their names are alike. For more information about him: http://www-astro.physics.ox.ac.uk/~erik/sint/sint.html

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In die tweede regel moet Nederlandse natuurlijk Nederlanders zijn...lekker dom van me

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Rick d'Israeli wrote:

Sinterklaas is not Santa Claus, although their names are alike. For more information about him: http://www-astro.physics.ox.ac.uk/~erik/sint/sint.html

Well, the first lines there say that Sinterklaas is St. Nikolaus, which is St. Claus. Question

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It is confusing yes, but they are not the same.
Santa Claus does exist in holland, it's de kerstman.
Chistmas is a completely different feast than the Sinterklaas feast. And I really don't know what santa claus has to do with the birth of jesus.

En Rick, niet zo veel dus, volgens mij maar een stuk of vier... Maar Nederland is tenslotte ook niet zo heel groot Razz

Zit er trouwens een verhaal of iets achter je nick? Ben je eigenlijk israelisch, of vond je het gewoon leuk klinken, of nog iets anders?

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Well, St. Nikolaus comes here on the 6th of December. It reallyhas nothing to do with christmas a christian gte (birth of Jesus) bur with ... presents.

In many regions, the festivities originally attributed to the gift-giving St. Nikolaus have been transfered to Christmas, yet in Western and Southern Germany, in Austria, Switzerland, and the The Netherlands, December 6 remains a day of joy for children.

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Rick

re your signature line:
you certainly know that this Mephisto quotation goes on with

Quote:

...
Drum besser wär's, dass nichts entstünde.
So ist denn alles, was ihr Sünde,
Zerstörung, kurz, das Böse nennt,
Mein eigentliches Element. [1338-1344]

... and thus is very common among Satanists. :wink:

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I am a Satanist :wink: ... Well what I understood from the quote is that it is indeed said by Mephisto, and that it describes a Geist whos caracter is very negative and who is a very critical person. I'm not very negative - I think - but I know from my friends that they think I am and that I'm also very critical in all sorts of stuff - I think...
I got the quote by the way from the book Woman in Berlin (Eine Frau in Berlin), a really good book about a Berlin woman who writes about the fall of Berlin in 1945.
En Doris: het is niet mijn echte achternaam, maar het is, of beter gezegd was, de achternaam van mijn oma, die trouwens niet Joods was - haar familie is al eind 19de eeuw bekeerd naar het Christendom. Het klinkt wel heel Joods enzo, maar ik ben dus niet Joods.

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Oh and Walter: you forgot Sinterklaas is also celebrated in Belgium. Go Belgium!

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[Many christianised Jews adopted this or a similar name.]

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Since when do you understand Dutch Walter? :wink:

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]Kunt u langzamer praten? :wink:

Well, I understand most of it - mainly, because I understand Low German as well (can't speak in both languages more than a couple of sentences).

[Grandma's (father's site) ancestors live on both sites of the border van/(von) Homoet. And a grandaunt married a Dutch (in Amersfoort), friends of my parents live(d) in Enschede, mobile-home of parents-in-law was near Arnhem, we had Dutch classes at university (could thus get the Dutch diploma as well - I didn't go there, but a Dutch student wrote her thesis under my supervision) :wink: ]

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Well, this thread has been a very interesting read; international emailing at its best, I would say. Thanks to all contributors. I wonder where Brian went, was it he, who wanted a translation done?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, St. Nikolaus comes here on the 6th of December. It reallyhas nothing to do with christmas a christian gte (birth of Jesus) bur with ... presents.

In many regions, the festivities originally attributed to the gift-giving St. Nikolaus have been transfered to Christmas, yet in Western and Southern Germany, in Austria, Switzerland, and the The Netherlands, December 6 remains a day of joy for children.

This is nice! I didn't know that, so the sinterklaas we have here in holland did exist in germany too... But they moved the feast to christmas, kind of.
Too bad, cuz it's a very very nice feast. On the other hand, christmas isn't that special here, and in germany it is I believe.

En Rick, sorry dat ik België vergat. Gaat het daar precies hetzelfde als in nederland? Heb je ook een sinterklaasoptocht? Waar komt ie aan?

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Every year, in the night of the 5th to the 6th of December, Saint Nicolas brings presents to all the children who have been good, in Belgium, The Netherlands, Germany (here at all started, Doris, back in the Middle Ages!), Switzerland, Austria, South Tyrol and other German speaking parts of the world :wink:

The tradition of Saint-Nicolas is in both, the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, Vlaanderen (Flanders) and Holland, very similar.

Sinterklaas Kapoentje,
Leg wat in mijn schoentje,
Leg wat in mijn laarsje,
Dank je Sinterklaasje!

And here is a French song
Saint Nicolas, patron des ecoliers,
apporte moi du sucre dans mon petit panier.
Je serai toujours sage comme un petit mouton,
Je dire mes prieres pour avoir des bonbons.
Venez, venez Saint Niclolas!
Venez, venez Saint Niclolas!
Venez!
Venez!
Venez Saint Niclolas!
Tralala!

... he, Carnaval is in aantocht!

http://www.titusbrandsmacollege.nl/projecten/typicallydutch/celebrations/carnaval3.jpg

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But what about Good King Wenceslas?

Wasn't he a Czech?

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Naw, he was 'Merican . . .

Good King Coleslaw
Looked him out
On his feets uneven . . .

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What about flat dutch, anybody here speak flat dutch? My sweetiepie is always on about flat dutch, an' how the Hamburgers is always aspeakin' flat dutch . . . i say, any country where the fast food talks to ya is a place to avoid . . .

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Setanta wrote:

What about flat dutch, anybody here speak flat dutch? My sweetiepie is always on about flat dutch, an' how the Hamburgers is always aspeakin' flat dutch . . . i say, any country where the fast food talks to ya is a place to avoid . . .

Dröhnbüdel

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SABBELBUEDEL !!! hbg ... let setanta figure that one out !

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