@reasoning logic,
please bare with me, it says in the Bible, Prophets suffer from sleeplessness, and I have slept about 5 full hrs in about 2 full days!
I believe that people followed previous traditions, from previous religions etc for a long time, before and after Christ...
Now I would not doubt if early Christians truly did not know the exact day or time in which he was born, and could have potentially picked a date from various religions before Jesus....Like I said myself, and agree with Martin Luther, it was Not December 25, but more toward October...
But in any event, I do not believe that Jesus, and the religions of Jesus will fade and die off, and prove to be false, and believe all these religions are promoting the one and same God, Divinely inspired that is depicted in the Christian Bible...(I will explain how so later on)...
My position more coincides with these statements on the webpage you linked...
Among the early Christians there were three very different doctrines concerning Jesus:
Quote:1) He was born of Mary and Joseph in the ordinary course of nature and was only made divine by spiritual adoption at his baptism.
(I don't believe this to be true) (personally) to me the symbolism with a baptism, has little to nothing to do with the water, but EVERYTHING to do with the acceptance of Christ...(Spiritual Baptism Jesus talks about)...So in other words, it really does not make a difference in my eyes if you EVER get baptized by water, but that at the very moment you "decide" to devout your life to Christ, is when your "truly" baptized, and likewise confirmed...therefor, being baptized has little to nothing at all in having water poured on your head...You could do that 1000 times in your life, but if you don't believe in Jesus then what is the point to it all? The purpose of water is to symbolize purity etc...Which do you think is better in God's eyes? Having water poured over your head 1000 different times, or one Spiritual acceptance of Jesus, and your "baptism" and "Conformation"? Even though the Church would never except such Ideas...For the Bible States...that Fathers who speak well of the Prophets, are false ones, and Fathers who speak bad about the Prophets, are the real ones....So I know my Prophetic experiences are true, for I know that almost NO Father of the Christian God, would believe anything I truly have to explain to them to correct...
Quote:2) The doctrine of the Gnostics who said that Jesus was never born, was not in fact human at all, and had no earthy parents. He was a spiritual being sent by the Supreme God for a brief ministry to deliver the message of salvation and redemption.
(I don't believe this is exactly true either) The fact of Jesus coming as a Human is very important indeed if you think about it....he had no earthly parents in very debatable...for If God the Father, is his Father, then St. Joseph is not his father, or the Heavenly Father Jesus is talking about, But I do believe that Mary was His earthly Mother, and I believe she was the Jesus Christ of women if you will...but none the less, they got the main goal right in this understanding in that he was here for a brief ministry to deliver the message of salvation and redemption.
Quote:3) The doctrine which was became the doctrine of the Catholic Church: Jesus was born of a virgin, similar to the myths found in virtually every mystery cult for centuries.
(I feel this is the most accurate indeed)...whether it was said that it was found in virtually every mystery cult for centuries is irrelivent...what if all these Mythologies, and religions, before, and after Christ, were directly Speaking about the coming of the savior Jesus Christ...and that myothologies thousands of years before, were prophetically inclined to understand that a Messiah would some day come....and that they by their nature were portraying Jesus Christ himself, Just because it is found in other cult religions or Mythologies, does not mean that every one of them, had a Birth of a son by a virgin, on December 25 or around it....it is more plausible to read all that, and think that the Heavenly Father was telling each and every one of those religions, that there is importance to excepting this Virgin Birth, of a savior, various religions had different names etc.. we call him Jesus, but I think they all depict one and the same God....manifested way before anyone knows or thinks even possible...today he is in fact known as Jesus Christ....
And to further explain how this is indeed possible....according to the Old Testament, When Moses was on Mt. Sinai, talking with God, (who keep in mind is one and the same as Jesus) and (also keep in mind from the other perspective, for the sake of debate, Moses had a stutter problem) but none the less you would believe God chose Moses for a divine purpose....and according to the scripture, it says something to the effect of...when God told Moses his name, Moses said it was a name he could not pronounce....Which tells me there is a very high chance, that God's actual name is probably NOT Jehovah, and may not even be Jesus Christ.....For you would believe Moses would be able to pronounce these names, even if he had a stutter, because he was Jewish...and understood Jewish...well basically I believe Moses spoke either Phonecian, Hebrew, or Egyptian....but the point is if God wanted his name revealed it would have been revealed....there is a reason of signifigance as to why God says through Moses, it was a name he could not Pronounce....which tells me its not Jehovah, its not Allah, its not Mohammad, its not David, and could even possibly not even Jesus Christ...for all we know...according to how Jesus would be pronounced back then would be Yeshua.....pronounced Yesh-u-ah....but the importance is the acceptance into God himself, and the importance of believing in faith in him, and accepting that you believe in your heart, confess with your mouth, and except that Jesus died for our sins, and you will be saved...(if he exists)
Quote:And so January 6 was accepted almost universally as the date of the Epiphany, and a great many churches, especially in the East, began teaching that it was also the physical birthday of Jesus. In various Catholic countries this is still the case.
Like I said, I doubt that Jesus Christ was actually born on December 25....
