Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@spendius,

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You have a problem with the word "decide". I can decide nothing. I'll tell them what is good for their souls though. Yeah!! I will. I know them inside out. I should do. And they can take it or leave it. It's advice only and it is genteel compared to what I can do.

What you can do? You do vote don't you and try to take away their rights?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Look Spade. Get on the other side eh? There's no neutral ground. There's nothing worse than a seeming friend knifing you. You're defending draft dodging as well.

There are no rights. There are privileges. Saying that privileges are rights is serious political naivete or chichanery. You are pawns of the State. You don't know it but I do. And I don't mind. You have been so wound up on the "rights" thing that you do mind.

The State is already on the case of making you eat healthy. And drink healthy. Once it becomes a necessity you will see it come to pass.

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@reasoning logic,

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Do you think that he would spend time with the child and give the mother the financial backing that is required to raise a child in a moderate or decent way?

We do in the UK.

And forget preachers eh? There are none here on this thread. There's only me. Deal with me.

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@reasoning logic,

It is not the Preachers fault mate...And I think it is bush for you to even try to portray that view...If a male and female have sex...And put themselves in the position to have to chose to terminate a preganancy or not...It is all on those 2 people involved...Unless something horrible happens such as rape or incest...Then I think it is different...

The preachers say what they do...Becaue they do care....And want young people to understand morality...And not just go sleep around and then terminate a life...

But it is not their fault mate...even if you think they are wrong with the advice they give...They are not perfect either mate....

What would be the alternative to what the church's morality is? Anyways?

Are you volunteering to start a foundation to promote abortion if woman want too?

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@spendius,

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We do in the UK.

The US is a little different in that respect. I am not aware of the church showing any help that would influence the decision making of a single young mother other than a prayer.

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@reasoning logic,

And let me guess...Lack of beliefs does more to help solve this predicament right?? Rolling Eyes

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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It is not the Preachers fault mate.

I am not saying it is the preachers fault but I do wonder if the preacher spoke more about reality and truths that have evidence or at least things that are probable, what he may be able to do for society. It would not change things over night but it would be a nice place to start.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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And let me guess...Lack of beliefs does more to help solve this perdicament right??

No but understandings do seem to help. Wink

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@reasoning logic,

If there is no such thing as a God why is it their job to do it? Unless God is real? And so are the morals that the Church says?

Where is lack of beliefs on this matter?

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@reasoning logic,

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No but understandings do seem to help.

Do people have to believe the understandings? Or should people have a lack of it??? Wink

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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If there is no such thing as a God why is it their job to do it?

Are you claiming that if there is no God that morality would have no value?

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God is real? And so are the morals that the Church says?

Sure the morals that the church teaches are good but the church seems to have morality a bit twisted, "Meaning what is moral is good but sometimes the church teaches immorality as if it were morality.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Do people have to believe the understandings

People need to try and find understandings that have the most evidence to back them up or have the best probable out come but if they have to believe anything it should be that, even though they think they have the most logical understanding about something "there still may be a better understanding yet to come.

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@reasoning logic,

Once again mate I do not disagree there are problems and it is not perfect...They are mortals just like everyone else...

What is the alternative?

And what has lack of beliefs had to do with this? Or what have they done?

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@reasoning logic,

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People need to try and find understandings that have the most evidence to back them up or have the best probable out come but if they have to believe anything it should be that, even though they think they have the most logical understanding about something "there still may be a better understanding yet to come.

How would this help a female who was thinking about an abortion?

It is just circular blather that does not help anyone, or get anything new, productivly done...because there are no answers to be found to directly help anyone...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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And what has lack of beliefs had to do with this?

I am not sure why you are caught up in lack of beliefs but maybe this will help if you have forgotten or just brushed it aside before.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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How would this help a female who was thinking about an abortion?

If this type of teaching was taught to a young girl before she got pregnant instead of the pie in the sky make believe, she may be less likely to find herself in this position which kills many babies each year, therefore saving many babies.

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@reasoning logic,

No, My question still stands whether I do not watch...or watch it again....

If there are a lack of beliefs...How is there any help for, anyone, about anything, that directly helps themselves, at least, become decisive of themselves, so that they would know what to do? Or what they think is morally correct? Using lacks...Rather than beliefs, such as the church?

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@reasoning logic,

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If this type of teaching was taught to a young girl before she got pregnant instead of the pie in the sky make believe, she may be less likely to find herself in this position which kills many babies each year, therefore saving many babies.

So your going to be the first to pioneer a new foundation? Or a world view using lacks? Or are you going to continue to harp about how wrong the Church is?

If someone disagrees, and does not have a solution they are apart of the problem...

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@spendius,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5219609)
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Please, Spendius, if you think women want to have their rights restricted so that people like you can feel good about yourself...you are dead wrong.

But you are stuck in this position...and you refuse to stop digging.

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It has nothing to do with what I feel about myself. I'm not stuck in any position and I will certainly not stop digging.

Of that, I am sure!

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Right, Spendius...you want to tell women what is good for their souls. You want to decide for them what they can and cannot do...because YOU are better able to decide what will please them.

You have a problem with the word "decide". I can decide nothing. I'll tell them what is good for their souls though. Yeah!! I will. I know them inside out. I should do. And they can take it or leave it. It's advice only and it is genteel compared to what I can do.

You're saying I'm out of order making an argument and possibly because I am forcing you to look more carefully at your own.

If it's lucky for women why are they so ashamed of it? Everything I get lucky with is soon known all around. And a woman couldn't possibly keep silent about how lucky she has been.

I have no trouble with the word "decide" at all.

And most assuredly I am not bothered by this pretend argument of yours. In fact, if anything, it makes me more sure of my position...and more determined to stop people like you from influencing legislation on this issue.

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Is there a "man of the left" in this discussion...or is this something you made up while playing with your keyboard.

It is the impression given me by the posts of yours that I have read that you are a man of the left. If it is the wrong impression then it's your fault.

Yeah, sure...it is my fault. Grow up. I am not of the left...nor of the right. I am not a liberal...I am not a Democrat. You screwed up. Acknowledge it like a man...and stop trying to throw the blame elsewhere.

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Gimme a break. My stomach hurts.

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MYOH and a crude attempt at censorship. I don't even believe you. You asserting that you are laughing does not mean you are just as "I'm fine!!!" doesn't mean things are fine. I can tell just by looking who is actually fine and they never say "I'm fine" even without the exclamation marks.

The pillow talk of married women would make your hair stand up on end.

I have absolutely no idea of what MYOH stands for...and your constant use of it is even more laughable than the rest of your silly posts. Think whatever you will, Spendius, but I enjoy and laugh at your comments damn near each time you post.

And the notion that you knowing about pillow talk of married or unmarried women really cause a guffaw.

Wanna continue this...or shall we go on to something worthwhile? Wink

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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So your going to be the first to pioneer a new foundation? Or a world views using lacks?

No Spades this foundation was set way before me and before Socrates.

Evolution is a slow process but the people of the church see it and have been holding back humanity for quite some time.

There is both good and bad in the internet, people can learn the truth but the internet also has it's disadvantages too.

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