@Frank Apisa,
Quote: (I want to acknowledge that it is at least possible for someone to KNOW that a GOD exists.)
Well I don't so there's not much point in me engaging with the rest of the mush.
Quote: What are you getting at, Spendius?
I'm doing my bit to inhibit the undermining of Christian ways of life by people who have not thought through what happens when they have succeeded.
Even the partial undermining has produced a situation nobody knows what to do with.
If nobody knows whether God exists or not then nobody knows whether His law that we should not commit adultery is valid. Or rob. Or kill.
The dysfunctional aspects of each are not a concern of adulterers, robbers and killers. But they are to the tribe. They are not a factor in nature either. Which is the substance. So the leaders of the tribe, to prevent the disastrous nature of the activities, and there are others, condemn them. They impose "form" on nature. God is like a conjurer's magic wand.
The government can do the job of course. It can make robbing and killing a felony. But can it make adultery a felony. You would have to lock up most of Congress I imagine. Just for starters. What would follow making adultery a felony. What has followed where it is a felony I presume.
The justification and the imposition of the form in which to render the base substance comes before the God. Like the wheel comes before the potter. Moses was trying to get the buggers in some sort of order as a tribal power. In the bloody wilderness.
The substance neither reads nor writes. Those are imposed forms. History. A long and woeful series of blind guesses on the suck it and see principle.
Denying form using form's tools is ridiculous.
God is the wisdom of history rolled up in a neat ball for those who don't understand the wisdom of history because they are too busy making it possible for a few experts to focus on the subject.
In that sense I know God exists.
