Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

With the exception of the lowlife Christian bigotry portrayed in this thread.

have you tried one of them FS?)

Poor men eh? It is one hell of a task for men to constantly practice but a good deal easier for women and thus women have much less excuse for not following God's design or even, one might say, of His demands. Of course I realise that constantly practising women would require constantly practising men and that if women constantly practised men would have to as well and that would result in women not being able to charge as much as they do. (I'm assuming no avoiding of the issue by recourse to others of the same gender. That's just boring. )

Another problem is that if women practised constantly and thus required men to do also as a necessity,

He claims to have enjoyed sex with "hundreds of women" and to have "examined many more". Which suggests he never got to know any of them all that well.

And so FS, we come back by a "commodius vicus of recirculation" (one of James Joyce's piss-pot jokes) to you saying that women giving the orders is boring. Why don't you try it? I don't believe you are simple-minded and lack imagination. That picture of you in the maelstrom of the ghosts of electricity and the gods of speed tells me otherwise.

There has been and always will be a great debate of that subject, not one that we really should entertain

Do you mean, when you are tempted and feel the urge to sleep with someone, that you will remain at home and you feel that, that feeling is evil ?

I can not see why 'God' could be against it. If you guys don't do it, there can be some serious problems.. I believe he states that you can't but I am going to put that one down to man made...

Ryan.. IDK.. Would 'she' be happy with missionary only, for a few years until you decide no more kids, and then you stop having sex with her? And, at 30, would she be a virgin anyway, and if not, would she enjoy 1) just missionary and 2) the acknowledgement that the only reason you were having sex with her was for procreation? Does not bonding between two souls come with having intercourse? Does not pleasing a woman as we are all different, finding what is best for her, position wise seem important to that bond and love?

The difference, is if you act on it or not. And, in addition, there is flirting within boundries which I personally think is good for the spirit, and lust. I don't lust over anyone.

This is because you believe in the Bible and all that it states in my opinion Ryan as you are not meant to lust. But, do you know how it makes a woman feel, if all she did to "please you" is then looked down on, forgotten about, thrown away as nothing especially if you ever told that to a woman " I do not want to remember what you did to me". It makes a woman feel worthless, dirty, why? Isn't that what you don't want her to feel?

With children?

This is utter bullshit. There have been studies done. In places where there is less religion and more secular views the places tend to have less crime and fewer teen pregnancies.

I'm a non-believer. Why am I not commiting crimes? Why am I not doing drugs? Why am I not having indiscriminate sex with who ever and when ever I want?

Pleasing women gets them to invite you back. They don't have headaches when you please them.

Have you any idea what it does to a lady's self respect if you turn them down. You sound like you're window shopping. Sniffily.

Spade doesn't believe in the Bible. He picks bits out of it which smooth his path.

No, I am saying, if I visualize about her, and gratify myself, it is evil to do...

I would say, so long as we were not lusting about it, I guess I would have no problem...

And I would say there is a big difference is flirting and lust...I believe you can still lust for someone you are with...If you are married, but not doing anything but having sex all the time, it is still a form of lust to me...

If I need a women to get me excited, and does not do it by herself, or the other way around...It is not genuine love to me...That is why, I am not interested in meeting someone new...

Like I stated to Spendius, apparently, if there is no lust then it is fine so I understand that.

So many people are confused over this and feel it's evil to do it full stop.. I never thought that way and from reading today, it's apparent that it's not.

You only answered my last paragraph Smile I am saying to me, I think it is important for two people that are together in any Unity to discuss, and experiment and formulate boundries and try to compromise. There is no lust in that, that's love. In that, I hope you change your throught pattern that sex is all about having children and missionary only therefore.

I am confused over this? Off course you should be in lust with someone you are partners with.. I don't understand the last bit?

Are you saying that she doesn't need to help you, nor her, it would happen in love only? Sure, that's true but what about the work load of the couple, or children and being tired, some "help" .. That doesn't mean she is not genuinely in love with you at all, it means she's tired, stressed, not in the mood but willing and needs love back in the form of sensuality.

But, you don't have to answer any of these things if you don't want to.. Just sharing something with you for thought.

So you do not believe having sex all the time with someone, whether married or not...Is still not lusting about them?

No, I disagree, you should never lust over anyone...If you are having sex because you are in love, that is not lust...Having sex ALL the TIME...or thinking of certain things to do to each other just to satisfy one person, is lust...If you want me to be graphic...One person giving the other oral sex or something, and then next time, the other one doing it to the other...That is a form of lust, to me...One is doing it, to please the other...It is not about sharing the sexual experience to me, at all...And no, a 69, does not destroy this...Because it is a form of sex...That is not natural...In which you are just doing something degrading, (both parties) to get the other person sexually aroused...When you could just have sex...Any position you want to...(even though, I think some are degrading, and lustful)

You were not talking about sex in your reply to me Spades Smile You were talking about "gratification" masterbation.

Urges, loving, lusting, if you are married why the heck is that wrong?

Aren't you meant to be with "someone" for the rest of your life.

Are you honestly suggesting that you can only make babies with them, never lust with them?

No way. Love is love, lust is lust, I would add other things but I don't feel I can here. But, the bottom line is, without loving your partner, lusting after them, why the heck would you want to sleep with them if not via both?

I disagree. Define the word lust? Having sex all the time in a loving relationship is not lust at all.. It's a bond.. And it's love and wanting sex.

Why would one do oral and then the other next time? It is most certainly about sharing and giving why do you think it's lust?

Or to please, sure sometimes I have a headache apparently or other things and I remember it's important to keep things alive what is wrong with that? Guess Spendius I am going there. 69 is not natural?

What is sex Spades. Look, to do it just for sex, is one thing but are you saying you are not allowed to do oral, or 69's when in love? That's crazy. This is prudish. How can you just have sex, if one person is not aroused? Ouch.

Hun, you have had to have seen porn, or read about porn, or listened to your mates brag.

People being intimate with each other, no inhibitions, but with boundries in love , and in a serious relationship do not think of any of this as "dirty".. One has a high sex drive, one low, that's the end of the marriage eventually. One is prudish and the other wants to explore that's the end of the marriage, eventually.

Love comes in many forms and lust is part of it. Tell me where in the Bible does it state that you can not masterbate, where you can not lust after your Wife or Husband?

I guess you opened the Forum for discussion when I said you don't have to answer it.

Sex for sex is up to the individuals. Certainly it is deemed as wrong.

Sensuality, sexuality, horny is allowed in a marriage, how do you survive a marriage unless you understand the different sides of sex and it's being. As long as you are faithful isn't that all that counts?

I'm confused with your reply and whilst I respect it Spades.. It's maybe way back there somewhere.

Where did I read about something to do with Sleeping with the brother' wife ? In the Bible and it did not occur but that was Jesus's wishes or something.

Someone.

Or, Mary, something about her can't remember.

Love comes in many forms. If you do not take the time to work your relationship, your relationship does not work.

You are one sided. What would she be like, how do you find a woman that agrees with all of that? No touching, missionary, no lust.

IDK.. hun.. I know why you think that way but would you consider investigating it.

Like I read, masterabation is not a sin but you think that it is ...

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.