Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@spendius,

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Like sweating?

I think that sweating may have something to do with controlling body temperature. I hear that humans and dogs can tolerate temps above 200*f or was that 300* "I do not remember which one" for a quite a few minutes. I found that interesting

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@spendius,

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How can anything be important Frank if this is all meaningless?

If all is meaningless...probably nothing is important. The operative word there is "if."

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And if you don't know whether it is meaningless or not because you have no evidence that it is meaningless or that it is not meaningless then you have no way of saying what is or is not important because you have no evidence for either case and there are no third options.

Things must be slow at the pub, Spendius.

But you have a point. So I will change what I wrote to say, "It may be important"...or "I find it interesting so I'd like to discuss it."

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As for the truth--forget it. You couldn't handle it in either world. You have no evidence what it is.

An assumption on your part...said with the pomposity we've come to expect of you. I enjoy seeing you display it, although whenever it is on display, the story of the Emperors new clothes comes to mind.

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@Frank Apisa,

Didn't the human race spend 2, or 4 some say, million years with nothing but the truth and in the blink of an eye on the evo. scale illusions came in and we took off and produced golf courses, cool beer on draught and lingerie.

Not bad eh? It's amazing how atavistic truth can seem looked at like that.

"There are no truths outside the Gates of Eden,"---Bob Dylan.

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.said with the pomposity we've come to expect of you. I enjoy seeing you display it, although whenever it is on display, the story of the Emperors new clothes comes to mind.

What was pompous about my statement Frank? It was not a bit affected or grandiloquent. It wore no regal vestments. There is nothing grandiose, high and mighty, highfaluting, imperious, magisterial, orotund, ostentatious, overbearing, overblown, pontifical or portentous about it.

Insults and obviously irrelevant small-town erudition are neither here nor there.

Things are often slow at the pub. Sometimes not so. It depends on a number of factors.

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@Frank Apisa,

I'm beginning to come to the conclusion, Frank, that you have watched too many TV programmes which depict upwardly-mobile members of the thinking classes in a heroic light and have recruited yourself to their numbers as a result.

Dropping a mention, casually, of Riemann's zeta conjecture into your conversations would be a vast improvement on the Emperor's nakedness. It is hardly likely you will be asked to explain because anybody asking you to is confessing to ignorance of the matter and members of the thinking classes are congenitally indisposed to admissions of such a mortifying nature and any persons of a lower position who do ask for an explanation can easily be fobbed off with any old gobbledegook.

The gambit works for farmerman. Whenever I ask him what DNA is he either ignores the question or provides a long winded version of "it's the DNA".

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@reasoning logic,

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It does appear that the theist are being very creative because they think that they know for sure that there is a god that they can not introduce to an agnostic nor an atheist in a way that either one can relate to.

Sure, because the way to find Gods is thru faith...Which they reject...

That does not make them creative, if they are unaware they are being creative...By your position, it would make them unaware, not creative, there is a big difference...

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The agnostic is not being creative in saying he does not know but rather he is stating his case that you have not shown him a God that exist.

Your right! They are not being creative, that is their "personal truth" Based upon their experiences, and surroundings etc...

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The atheist will take it a step further at times and tell you that your particular God is most likely made up because of what we talked about earlier about it being normal to believe and then there are others that will tell you that they know for certain that you are full of **** no matter what God you wish to worship.

And that, is clearly thinking superior, which they are not superior thinkers...And they are not being intellectually honest, with themselves or others...They do not know what a belief is, if they do not have one...And they know the way to find Gods....If they understand it...

There is NO WAY, a theist can "prove" a God exists when the way to find him, is thru faith, and if they are superior thinkers, an understand a belief, they know this....

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@reasoning logic,

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Do you mean like, "being unaware of what your imagination has created?

No, I do not...That would still be unaware of something, not being creative...If you are being creative, and are unaware of it happening, It really is not happening, or it is, but it does not make a difference anyways...

To truly be creative, would mean you would understand that you are...and are thinking to be creative anyways...That is what makes it creative...

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@reasoning logic,

So then, everyone is a sociopath, because they have a mechanism in their brains to tell them to believe things???

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Nope that is not what I meant, try it again maybe you will get it.

Why don't you just explain it to me? If it is normal to believe, and it is a part of survival...What about it, makes us a sociopath? If we were, we would have never evolved, and wiped ourselves out many times before...No?

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@reasoning logic,

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I think that sweating may have something to do with controlling body temperature. I hear that humans and dogs can tolerate temps above 200*f or was that 300* "I do not remember which one" for a quite a few minutes. I found that interesting

Probably higher than 200...I do not think, people can handle temperatures higher than 300 F* for a few minutes...Since boiling is 212...And people, can't handle being burned by boiling water... Idea

Unless, you consider the process of dieing, handling it...

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@Frank Apisa,

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If all is meaningless...probably nothing is important. The operative word there is "if."

So what is meaningful?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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The atheist will take it a step further at times and tell you that your particular God is most likely made up because of what we talked about earlier about it being normal to believe and then there are others that will tell you that they know for certain that you are full of **** no matter what God you wish to worship.

And that, is clearly, thinking superior, which they are not superior thinkers...And they are not being intellectually honest, with themselves or others...They do not know what a belief is, if they do not have one, about Gods...And it is an insult to others, to play the card you KNOW what it means...And they know the way to find Gods....If they understand it...

There is NO WAY, a theist can "prove" a God exists, when the way to find him, is thru faith, and if they are superior thinkers, an understand a belief, they know this....

They are just playing the card...Either, willingly, or unwillingly, directly or indirectly, Of saying, they contradict what a belief, in a God is, because they do not wish to believe it!!!

Nothing to do, with having a rejection of belief...

That is why I say, I think others do not listen to what they actually are saying...

And they do not fully understand themselves...That is why it is best, to understand yourself, And worry about themselves... before others go around and tell others why they are wrong, or illogical, irrational... etc...

It makes atheists look smug, even if they do not mean to be...And not, in a good way, either...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Anything Frank has evidence for obviously? Like what time it is.

Not that there is any what time it is scientifically. Just as the US is divided into time zones within which there is an agreement, or an imposition, as to what time it is so also the time zones can be divided into smaller sections to give different times within what is now a single time zone. It doesn't take much imagination to proceed to dividing these sections of time zones into even smaller zones and so on until you come to the infinitessimal distance a shadow of the sun travels in an infinitessimal period of time neither of which can become zero.

So Frank is accepting the social conventions of time as imposed by the Roman Catholic Church many centuries ago and on which many scientific theories rest for their credibility intellectually as opposed to their cultural convenience.

I haven't time to speculate on the significance of 24, and the two 60s. No doubt some fun could be had with a speculation of that nature.

The only evidence Frank has that the time I post this is 18.14 A2K time is a 100% culturally conditioned belief. He only rejects those ccbs which limit the indulgence of his grosser senses.

It is that sort of thing which caused the Classical world to fear mathematical limit research to the extent that mentioning such things in public was a capital offence and why their mathematic was exhausted with Euclid.

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@spendius,

Nice post! I liked the read! Gives a great perspective with the time....!!

Thumbs up! Wink

What is a ccbs??

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@spendius,

You would think, they would put 2 and 2 together, by what you said, and what I am going to say, that the world, time, space, has never cease to exist, since it started, In it hundreds of millions of years of existence...Just like the notion of God does, with his infancy in Heaven...And they reject that God ended the world by Flood, with Noah...So, there was never a break, ever, like they think there is, when you die...And in fact, I bet many of them, will be bugged out when they read this, as they probably have never even thought about it!!! And do not wish to think about things, of its nature! Idea

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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What is a ccbs??

Sheesh!! I'm going to have to stop overestimating A2Kers.

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@spendius,

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Sheesh!! I'm going to have to stop overestimating A2Kers.

Relax mate! I am just not that old, rather than looking it up...I wanted you to explain it...Are you gonna answer, or should I just look it up? Never mind, I will look it up...

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@spendius,

It is either a calcium channel blocker, or a change control board?

Does not sound right...What is it??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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And in fact, I bet many of them, will be bugged out when they read this, as they probably have never even thought about it!!! And do not wish to think about things, of its nature!

Then they are Pagans at best. So really they should do athletics naked and live on corn meal.

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@spendius,

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Sheesh!! I'm going to have to stop overestimating A2Kers.

When have YOU ever done that?

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@Frank Apisa,

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When have YOU ever done that?

I've never done anything else Frank and my constant habit of doing so is proved by how easily I fell into it in this case. I did momentarily think I should type out "culturally conditioned beliefs" but I thought "ccbs" would suffice to get me going faster and the readers too. And it avoided the solecism of repeating a phrase in the same line.

Your assertion is just that--an assertion. Worthless.

When I went in dance-halls I was always turned out to attract the top of the range.

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@spendius,

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"culturally conditioned beliefs"

Thanks for the answer, that is all I wanted to know...

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