Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

I think it's a bit simplistic to blame drug prohibition just on religious types. This policy has given large amounts of money to drug enforcement agencies, and they like to protect their budget. Organised crime makes a fair proportion of its money from drugs and prostitution, and they're not shy of lobbying the odd senator or two. And let's not forget the vast wealth of the legal drug industry.

Having said that, the holy rollers have played their part too.

"The drug war is a perfect continuing example of why we will never win the war on terrorism because it captures the ineffectiveness of U.S. government and it captures the fact that it's being used against poor people and not against the people who benefit most from drugs, which are bankers that launder the money." -Robert Steele, CIA Clandestine Officer

The problem with that Krumpie is that there is no attempt to describe the situation where drugs and prostitution are legal.

Do some Buddhist believe there is a God? I thought so....

Where Christianity and Judaism depart (besides the obvious ) is in the rigorous rules that underlie the belief io an afterlife in Christianity. In the Tanach theres really nothing said about an afterlife. Jews believe that this is the shot youve got, and the Big LAwgiver in sthe sky gave you rules of making this world a better place while youre alive.

Jews and athesits are actually more akin in practical reasoning . Jews believe in a God (the lawgiver) wheras atheists feel comfortable in leaning upon natural law as the source of our "making this life a better thing for ourselves and our descendants"

Needing a "reason to be good" , like a reward of a heaven or a threat of eternal punsihment from a hell, is kinda childish IMHO. Just like being a liar requires you to have a really sharp memory so you dont stumble over your past interlaced lies, SO does Christianity have so much pomp and ceremony associated with this "afterlife thing" that it wastes a lot of time that we could devote to just living good lives

Heaven is a place that a minority of our species believes in (Its hardly universal). SO is a Hell. Weve made up rules to get in and stay out (respectively), and weve created priesthoods to tell us how we **** up. Who tells the priests when they **** up?
It appears that, whatever belief controls the acticities and day-to-days of Christians, it aint working out real well for you.

If all youve got is traditions that speak to you in parables of " your special places in science and culture", then all youre doing is trying to mold self evident and evidenced truths to FIT some mythology. That too is one big Waste of time. Science and culture is a huge pallette of intercommunicating (and some isolated) cultures that have shared, borrowed, and stolen aspects of previous and contemporary cultures . From these weve developed myths, as well as theories.
Id rather deal with cultural evolution as a reality than some dubious belief system that requires storeis of "what if" and" You better not pout..." based upon tales of some officially sanctioned galactic spaghetti monster with a really antisocial streak. Cultural evolution is easily evidenced wheras all the spaghetti monsters are not. Sad really. In Christianity theres these huge spaghetti monster social structures and "meeting places" all devoted to fear of the unknown complete with manyvarieties of spaghetti. Then on top of that, Christians incorporate into their legends a means to sever all ties to their precursor myth (ir Judaism). Christians believe that it was the Jews that whacked their Junior spaghetti monster. SO that allows the Christian l;aity to "Hate" the sin that the Jews commited (and hence Jews themselves).

Makes a great bifurcation tale between Chrsitian spaghetti monster and Jewish spaghetti monster.

I guess you can tell that Im one of the other group tyouve invithed here(ie "those that do doubt Christianity).

Ill stick to real spaghetti

Legal drugs didn't get in the way of making an Empire. Try visiting Amsterdam, dope, schrooms and prostitution are tolerated over there, and it's fine.

I am going to make a wild guess and you can correct me if I am wrong.
I think, that you think "that someone believing in a spaghetti monster would "not" be crazy and not only that but they could be seen as reasonable if they believed that there is a real live spaghetti monster. Am I correct?

Why do you still insist that we need religion.

A Prophet of God will always be persecuted....Always has, and always will....

The only one who really did not such suffer is the Prophet Samuel....

And the disagreement between you and the new claimant to be getting God's message, or the bunch of them, cannot be adjudicated without losing the ideology your message brings. Compromise is impossible and antagonism results. War even.

To avoid that you then have to insist that your message is the only valid one which entails you in repressing the others who are equally entitled to their own ideology unless you are claiming that they are not and all they did was the same as you have done.

Humility is not on the radar in such circumstances. Creating a fog of virtue about peace and goodwill to all men contradicts the fact that human beings are not virtuous because if they were there would be no need for religion or for homilies about virtue or for you to need messages from God.

There are three possibilities regarding sexual behaviour. Religious control, no control or political control. Anybody who thinks this debate is not about sexual behaviour is blowing smoke.

You refuse to acknowledge it because your belief trumps anyone else's suffering.

You don't give humanity enough credit.

Sexual behavior would not run wild if our entire society were to abandon religious beliefs.

I don't believe in a god, so why am I not out copulating with everything I can find?

Your speculation is based on nothing more than christian propaganda to attempt to keep christianity functioning. It is a protective measure built into the system to control people and oppress them. Nothing more, nothing less.

But you don't have any right to tell or impose your religious views onto others and expect them to not partake.

See this is where you think it is YOUR personal responsibility as a prophet to impose your skewed morality onto everyone else.

See this is where you think it is YOUR personal responsibility as a prophet to impose your skewed morality onto everyone else. That you have god in your pocket and thus makes your statements more valid. You don't see the harm by which you promote by calling yourself a prophet of god. You don't see it as harmful because you believe you are trying to save people, save the world. But you are doing nothing but promoting oppression which leads to more evil than you are solving.

Oh please . . . what persecution do you suffer? Torture? Incarceration? Being criticized? Here you are, fat and happy, with a computer and internet access, yet expect to be taken seriously when claiming you are persecuted. What a phony whiner.