Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@Setanta,

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In neither of those quotes does he deny the existence of a god, and in fact in the second quote he speaks of a supreme being as though it exists. You may well laugh, the ignorant are often amused by what they cannot comprehend, which in your case, is damned near everything

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As is had already said free thinking persons had a problem before the theory of evolution came into being however he was not a supporter of the supernatural and the idea that Jesus is not the son of god would had gotten him torture to death for most of the last 2000 years.

Second note a numbers of other founding fathers of his time unlike you consider him a likely atheist.

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@Setanta,

I removed that quote as it was not clear to me and for no other reason.

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@BillRM,

Liar.

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@BillRM,

You have documentary evidence for your claim to the effect that: ". . . a numbers of other founding fathers of his time unlike you consider him a likely atheist?" Or are you, yet again, just making **** up? Your claims vis-a-vis "free thinking persons" and a theory of evolution are gobbledygook--there is no relevance one to the other.

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@Setanta,

Stop being so silly, you were the one who criticised theists for claiming moral superiority, I just pointed out that it was atheists that were doing it on this thread. Bill RM and RL to be specific, which is definitely more than one, so justifies the 's.'

Maybe you're just hypercritical of my posts because I'm English, I've noted you're similarly bellicose towards Fresco and Contrex. there's a lot of deep rooted prejudice amongst 'Irish' Americans, which you don't tend to find with the real Irish.

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@BillRM,

Jesus, a God is soooo different from the Easter Bunny, but I get why you are so hell bent (no punt intended), on making "him" the same as an Easter Bunny.

He is real.. He is not real... Those that don't "want" to believe are fearful that he is real, why? Because apparently if he is real and you don't believe you go to Hell.,

I wish, that all people saw outside science and made their decision.

Some say they have seen near death experiences... I have... But what would I know... It was a dream..

Reality to me was this... Father Xmas riding across the skye was a fantasy, so was seeing the Easter Bunny running over the field by the school what an excellent imagination I had...

But seeing, other things, hell no... To people like me? WT ... Anything is possible isn't it? Or are we that closed minded... I can't explain it, nor can science...

Deal with the fact that "some" people are more open and are confused with what is shown....verses nothing, nada, the Easter Bunny, pftttttt so you are not real either.

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@Setanta,

As I had said many of those living at the time of Jefferson consider him an atheist or a near atheist.

http://www.brucegourley.com/baptists/thomasjeffersonatheist.htm

Charles B. Sanford’s The Religious Life of Thomas Jefferson (1984) provides lengthy evidence from many contemporaries of Jefferson. He references the hundred or so pamphlets and newspapers that accused Jefferson of being an atheist, infidel and/or heretic, as well as numerous sermons declaring that if elected, Jefferson would ruin religion, overthrow Christianity, and destroy the Bible. Conservative Christians considered him thus throughout his life. Even afterward, in 1830, the Philadelphia public library refused to include books about Jefferson on its shelves because he was considered an infidel and heretic.

Charles Lerche’s 1948 volume, Thomas Jefferson and the Election of 1800, further explores the popular Christian conception of Jefferson as atheist, heretic, and infidel. Here is a newspaper illustration from the 1800 election period.

For examples of Christian preachers condemning Jefferson as a liberal, atheist, infidel and heretic, see pages 9 and 10 (including footnotes) of Thomas Jefferson and Political Preaching: Two Case Studies of Free Religious Expression in the American Pulpit. Some conservative preachers vilified Jefferson for (among other things) his Virginia Bill (Act) For Establishing Religious Freedom, on which Jefferson allied with the (also heretical and liberal) Baptists to pass in 1786; the Bill served as a model for the religious clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

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@izzythepush,

Oh, i see--now you're attempting to pick a fight based on ethnic origins. You're pathetic. To call RL an atheist is hilarious. You also apparently haven't been reading Spade's claims to the effect that there can be no morality without a god.

Be sure to post again so as to get the last word in. It will be the last word, too, as you're not worth the effort.

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@FOUND SOUL,

Well, that was wonderfully incoherent. Can we take it as given that you're one of the god squad?

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@BillRM,

None of those constitute evidence that the other founders thought he was an atheist, which was your claim.

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@FOUND SOUL,

The supernatural elements is as likely to be as real as is the Easter Bunny such as him raising from the dead a man who body had been rotting for days and his own rebirth for that matter.

As far as there being a Jewish cult leader by that name teaching something that might resemble the bible claims who know.

There is surely no independent records dating back to that time period to show whether there was such a cult leader or if the teachings credit to one man was a compile of many persons from that time period and before or not.

So no matter what you wish for, short of a time machine, we are unlikely to ever know the true story of the founding of Christianity.

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@Setanta,

Is that what you want me to be ?

Let's see...

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Jesus, a God is soooo different from the Easter Bunny, but I get why you are so hell bent (no punt intended), on making "him" the same as an Easter Bunny

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So Bill visualises that the two are the same, not real.

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He is real.. He is not real... Those that don't "want" to believe are fearful that he is real, why? Because apparently if he is real and you don't believe you go to Hell

I wish, that all people saw outside science and made their decision.

You are so quick with typing Set...

Isn't it simple? You believe, or you don't . Some use science to work it out because they have never seen anything.

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Some say they have seen near death experiences... I have... But what would I know... It was a dream..

Sarcasim but you knew that.

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Reality to me was this... Father Xmas riding across the skye was a fantasy, so was seeing the Easter Bunny running over the field by the school what an excellent imagination I had...

Sky ( is that the bit you are claiming? Smile

) Man my ex Property Manager is on my mind , Skye.... Reindeers I missed out but that is what I saw as a kid, what's wrong with imagination? As, I saw this giant bunny rabbit run across the fields, imagine my sex life if that's my imagination....? Artistic people are known to be able to visualise, maybe that's the key verses , book worms.

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But seeing, other things, hell no... To people like me? WT ... Anything is possible isn't it? Or are we that closed minded... I can't explain it, nor can science...

Are you that closed minded that you see nothing other than science ? Like I said, things I have seen I can't explain WTF... You can't challenge that.

Deal with the fact that "some" people are more open and are confused with what is shown....verses nothing, nada, the Easter Bunny, pftttttt so you are not real either.

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@BillRM,

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So no matter what you wish for, short of a time machine, we are unlikely to ever know the true story of the founding of Christianity

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Well Bill, ain't that the truth.

Whether you like it or not, you made a statement there. One of you are not sure what to believe.

No one , will ever know , until they are friggen dead and then go ah, ok, I see.

Are there true physics, you know those that don't charge... Are there true "people" who claim to have seen ghosts? this can go on forever.. Either people are nuts, or live in fantasy, or watch too many movies.

One thing anyone who has felt something, that have in common that others don't?

Is this feeling... Peace, put it out there into the Universe and it happens. So what, if you believe in something it happens, if you don't it never will?

I've countless examples of telling something and it happens within a week, 2, 5.. I've countless of comments, in laughter, you witch.

Not sure if it has to do with God? Or to do with, saying science aint everything so is that to do with the un'known? But that's actual, factual no wonder those whom don't believe can't work that out.

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@FOUND SOUL,

It's not a matter of what i want you to be, but of how you portray yourself.

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@Setanta,

I have many sides... And, the only person I have to be happy with is me.....

How people take me, is an individual thing.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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I've countless examples of telling something and it happens within a week, 2, 5..

LOL how are you on lottery tickets numbers?

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Are there true "people" who claim to have seen ghosts?

Sure there are people who claimed to had seen ghosts there is even TV shows claiming for real to be looking for and finding ghosts that does not means that there are such things as ghosts however.

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@Setanta,

Pity about the "claptrap". It renders the post incoherent unless Christian theism is judged a failure as both a breeding opportunity and as being the "fittest". And in rendering such a judgement on centuries of theism embraced by billions over many centuries, Christian and Islamic, and the way of life derived from it, from an itsy-bitsy keyboard, is grossly ignorant.

And the fact that religious adherents and religious leaders have, through the ages, committed gross criminal enormities is not only not the most obvious objection to theism but it is not an argument at all. And what are "criminal enormities"?

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A concept of morality has utilitarian value from an evolutionary point of view.

That depends on the content of the morality and the success of its promotion. It also depends on long term dysfunction not arising and the success being tested against systems depending on power with no morality.

The success of the promotion requires a Church. And a theology which seeks to manage human nature in order to achieve success.

It also uses the word "morality" when strategy is meant according to the argument, if such it is, presented.

The post is drivel from first to last. And banal.

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@BillRM,

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LOL how are you on lottery tickets numbers?

Sign, I keep trying:)

You know? Let's say you believe there may be physics. Why have none, can none, get those numbers? Then also, why can they not touch? Those that "claim" to have seen have stated, all of them pretty much, they can not touch a " ghost".

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Sure there are people who claimed to had seen ghosts there is even TV shows claiming for real to be looking for and finding ghosts that does not means that there are such things as ghosts however.

Boo.

Not scared of anything at all Bill, in your life? Or lots, that's why you don't believ in fairytales.....

Good defense

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@FOUND SOUL,

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Not scared of anything at all Bill, in your life?

I been more then a little concern in my life as for example when once taking off an ultralight I found the CG was all mess up and I could not get the nose down as a result. Came very close to stalling on takeoff something you do not wish to do.

Needed to unbuckle the seat belt and move to the ever edge of the seat in this open frame aircraft to get the nose down enough to keep flying less alone to land.

Had I fallen out of the craft I would not had been the first so do so in the history of aviation but it is a dumb way to died in any case.

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@FOUND SOUL,

I'm supposed to care? All i see is a smug holy roller, who makes assumptions about others without knowing them.

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