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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 11:06 am
@Setanta,
sorta like the "700 clubbers" whove claimed to "Cure" being gay , just by finding Jesus.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 11:12 am
@farmerman,
And if you ain't buyin' that, you're a demon (one of his favorite epithets).

I liked Bella Dea's comment which Chai used as a sig line for quite a while:

I found Jesus, he was behind the sofa the whole time!
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 11:39 am
Does anybody think that Mr and Mrs Obama understand what the Easter Egg Rolling ceremonial represents.

Does anybody understand that attacking an abstract concept is not the same as attacking what the concept represents. To be serious it is necessary to attack what the concept represents and that requires an understanding of it.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 11:47 am
@BillRM,
I didn't make your point for you at all. You just didn't understand what I meant. Resisting the teaching of evolution in schools is nowhere near equivalent to resisting the teaching of science.

And I'm waiting for the names of the "US based Christian groups" which you claim are backing the execution of homosexuals in Africa.

You were asked to provide them. If you can't then you were making up false allegations.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 11:54 am
@farmerman,
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sorta like the "700 clubbers" whove claimed to "Cure" being gay , just by finding Jesus.


Let see we had a cult leader who was not marry in a time period when men marry early in life surrounded with male followers and only one woman that had been degrade by considering her a prostitute in the group and he was not likely to had been gay?

Thank to Paul the Christian religion have some real sexual hangups!!!!!!
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 12:12 pm
@spendius,
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And I'm waiting for the names of the "US based Christian groups" which you claim are backing the execution of homosexuals in Africa.


You can not do a google search concerning the anti gay movement back by US Christian groups?

Getting the Christians in Africa all work up by claiming that they are likely to be pedophiles out to screw their children.

The subject had been cover on this website more then once as a matter of fact with such details as the names of the lovely Christians backing this evilness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

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The private member's bill was submitted by Member of Parliament David Bahati on 14 October 2009.

"The offense of homosexuality" is defined to include same-sex sexual acts, involvement in a same-sex marriage, or an attempt to commit aggravated homosexuality. It further includes provisions for Ugandans who engage in same-sex relations outside of Uganda, asserting that they may be extradited for punishment back to Uganda, and includes penalties for individuals, companies, media organisations, or non-governmental organisations that know of gay people or support LGBT rights.


The proposed legislation in Uganda has been noted by several news agencies to be inspired by American evangelical Christians. A special motion to introduce the legislation was passed a month after a two-day conference From 5 to 8 March 2009, a workshop took place in Kampala, the capital of Uganda, that featured three American evangelical Christians: Scott Lively, an author who has written several books opposing homosexuality; Caleb Lee Brundidge, a self-professed former gay man who conducts sessions to heal homosexuality; and Don Schmierer, a board member of Exodus International, an organisation devoted to promoting "freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ".[13] The theme of the conference, according to The New York Times, was the "gay agenda": "how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how 'the gay movement is an evil institution' whose goal is 'to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity' ".[11] An Anglican priest from Zambia named Kapya Kaoma was in attendance, and reported on the conference. Ugandan Stephen Langa organised it, and was supported by Lively, who asserted in his workshops that homosexuality was akin to child molestation and bestiality, and causes higher rates of divorce and HIV transmission


And science is a whole and you can not attack one major branch without attacking all of it as it is all tied together.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 12:48 pm
@BillRM,
Oh I am sorry the death penalty would come about as follow under this Christian back bill:

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"aggravated homosexuality", in which an offender would receive the death penalty, or "the offense of homosexuality" in which an offender would receive life imprisonment. "Aggravated homosexuality" is defined to include homosexual acts committed by a person who is HIV-positive, is a parent or authority figure, or who administers intoxicating substances, homosexual acts committed on minors or people with disabilities, and repeat offenders.


Take note this does not cover HIV sex acts where the parties are not gay or an authority figure that is not gay.

I guess that getting HIV is worst if you get the disease from gay sex acts so if a father rape his daughter it is not the same as if he rape his son for example!
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 01:21 pm
@farmerman,
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Dont punch holes in your back from patting yourself too much. What the hell are you even talking about? when you speak drivvle, you should be called out on the drivvle. Whether you need to hide al your arguments behind some myth set, then you open them to inspection. If , at that point, you claim Im being unfair, then its just because you feel uncomfortable with your lack of evidence in just about anything you say having to do with the natural world. I would hope you deal with us all as individuals. Most of us dont even agree on particulars about the LAWS of gravity let aone whether we need a myth based worldview.

So then I guess you agree now that what Edgar type is drivel? and needed to be told so?? Like I said, when people type the **** he did...I will gladly voice my displeasure...Just like you, and others do!
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 01:23 pm
@farmerman,
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Oh excuuuuuuse meee! When you were excoriating Frank for some point you just jumped over and started calling me names. Thats when I figgered you werent worthy of any kind of respect. Kinda ike spendi who insults people all aong and then whines when someone bites him back. You guys are passive aggressives with high end needs for attention. All Im interested in is that your shallow opinion of the truth doesnt carry forward to other people

No, I was not excoriating Frank! I called YOU frank, because you decided to call me Ralph! Care to retract what you said? Or do you think your still in the right after knowing this??
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 01:33 pm
@wmwcjr,
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I really don't intend to get involved in this little online dispute because I don't have the time. (Pressing concerns, you know.) But I'll make the following comment for your benefit, XXSpadeMasterXX: As far as torturing and killing people is concerned, atheistic Communism has managed to accomplish quite a record in less time than a century -- a relatively short period of time, historically speaking. 100 million people in less than a century. (To be fair, I should point out that some of the casualties were atheists themselves.) That's quite impressive! It's a record that beats any religion. Torquemada would have been quite jealous of Stalin.

Bill wrote:

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Sorry but the good Christians had 2000 years to kill whole people and civilizations so I question if they still do not hold the record in total killings.

See what the loving Christians did in South American as an example of their behaviors.

What Bill means to say, WM....Is that he sees and thinks only thru the glass he is looking thru, not only that but he is so certain of it, and that it can not be distorted...Even though he is a man of probabilities...And is not absolutely certain of anything, and absolutely not certain of the non-existent of anything!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 01:36 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I think that what BillRM is saying, is that the only reason Atheists haven't killed more people than Christians, is because they haven't had enough time.

As arguments go, I've heard better.
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 02:08 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
@wmwcjr, What evidence do you have that alleged atheists killed others because they were not atheists?
I was alluding to the persecution of believers (of whatever faith) under Communist regimes, beginning with Lenin. Marxist-Leninist ideology includes atheism as an important component. I don't understand what the bone of contention is here. I thought these were just basic facts of history. Of course, Communist regimes have claimed the lives of all kinds of people (including atheists, as I pointed out in my post), many of whom were innocent people.

Setanta wrote:
Where did you come up with that bullshit 100,000,000 figure?
The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_book_of_communism
Well, I must say that I haven't actually read the book. I read about it in a newspaper article (if I remember correctly) that gave the figure of 100 million. (If I'm mistaken here, then I stand to be corrected. Wink ) Of course, the fact that the two largest, most populated countries fell to the Communists gave them a leg up, so to speak, in their being able to achieve this horrifying record. But the Communists were also quite ruthless in their determination to achieve their goals.

One of my biggest heroes was the late Soviet physicist and dissident Dr. Andrei Sakharov, who was a morally principled man of honor and great courage. So, I'm not exactly a hater of atheists.

Setanta, you remain the boss. Peace. Smile Wink
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 02:17 pm
@wmwcjr,
I'll tell you what the "bone of contention" is here. The alleged persecution of christians by the Bolsheviks was in fact the killing of Orthodox priests and monks who supported the opposition of the White Russians to Trotsky's Red Army. Those who stayed out of the fight stayed out of trouble. There was no systematic persecution of the religious. When Petr Alexeevitch (a.k.a., Peter the Great) was the Emperor, he made the church a bureaucracy of the state. The maintenance of churchs, monestaries and convents was paid by the state, and the priests and monks were paid a salary by the state. With the collapse of the imperial government, all those boys and girls were out of a job. Nobody was hunting them own and threatening them with death because of their beliefs.

Your black book lists deaths from all causes in communist regimes, and YOU are the one who is attributing this to atheism. I'd be interested to see you provide one shred of credible evidence that these deaths were the direct result of the victims refusing to embrace atheism. You're lined up there with all the ranting funamentalists. Shame on you.

EDIT: By your criterion, everyone killed by a Christian or a Muslim was the victim of religous murder. Applying the standard you're using here, the commies are pikers compared to Christians and Muslims. Read Einhard's life of Charlemagne sometime. Every year for 40 years they marched to slaughter the Saxons because they considered the Saxons to be godless pagans. I could just go on for pages and pages about Chrisian and Muslim slaughters which were intentionally inflicted for religious reasons. You have no case.
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 02:30 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Re: wmwcjr (Post 4951685) Some small religions branches are known to be peaceful but not the main branches and most had spread over the world at the end of a sword point to a large degree. Where those small peaceful branches exist it tend to be under the protection of societies that limit or do not allow religion killings and wars between faiths. Take note even under the US the Mormons ended up in arm conflict with the US over their then dogma of the men having more then one wife and needed at least officially change that dogma at rifle point.

I'm a member of one of those "small religions." Believe me, I wouldn't want to live under some kind of theocracy. I'd probably be among the first to get into trouble. I don't favor repression against any minority group, and have always been distressed by any group being persecuted. I've always been a bleeding heart.

The famous writer Robert Block (creator of the beloved Norman Bates character) once was asked what he thought was the most horrifying horror story (words to that effect). He replied by saying, "The history of mankind." He's right! Mass murder has been conducted for all kinds of rationales. (Using religion as a scapegoat here doesn't work.) Religion, race, state, you name it. That's the problem. As David would say in this particular context (not that I agree with all of the political views of this gentleman, who is both kind and polite, as well as funny on occasion): Religion and atheism don't kill; people kill. Mr. Green
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 02:35 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Give me some time Logic...I will watch and post...busy right now at the moment...


Thank you Ryan I was just curious if you thought he might be telling the truth and I do Know what it is like being busy with Easter and all.

Take your time and when you find 2 minutes and 45 seconds to watch the video let me know what you think.

I will post it again so you will not have to go way back to find it.

wmwcjr
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 03:04 pm
@Setanta,
I was aware of the relationship of the Russian Orthodox Church to the Czar, as wrong as that clearly was.

Forget the clergy. Were religious individuals allowed to practice their religion under dictators such as Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot -- not to mention all the Stalinists who came to power in East European countries following WW2? Are religious believers allowed to practice their religion in Communist China today? That's not what I've heard.

All I was doing was objecting to the scapegoating of religion. As I've just said in a previous post, throughout history mass murder has been committed by states for any number of different reasons. I simply get tired of religious people being blamed for everything.

Good grief, man. What power do I have over you? Confused Question The tone of my posts has been mild, yet you've spoken to me in such an angry tone that I must be the boogeyman Mad . But it's only me, a lowly member of no import! Sad
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 03:22 pm
@wmwcjr,
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I was alluding to the persecution of believers (of whatever faith)


You mean in the very rare cases that all faiths are persecuted instead of one faith doing the persecution of the others faiths?

The former USSR frown are all religions where England just frown and persecuted Catholics for a few hundred years.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 03:25 pm
@wmwcjr,
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He's right! Mass murder has been conducted for all kinds of rationales


Religion however had be a major if not the major engine behind mass murders throughout history.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 03:46 pm
@spendius,
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If the player is allowed to switch then that's a new choice and the previous choice is irrelevant.


Do not feel so all alone Spendius many very intelligent people get the Monty Hall problem wrong when it is first shown to them.

It was shown to me by a neuroscientist and it went in one ear and out my other. After I heard him say it again I did not believe it because it looks like 50/50 to me, so I racked my brain with it because I suck at math and after a day or two I found that it was true by actually testing it, it was then that I found out that I was wrong about it being 50/50.
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 03:50 pm
@BillRM,
Why respond to me? I'm just a lowly member of no import. Laughing
 

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