Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

I think that there may be more logic supporting life on another planet than what there is for a God. The reason I say this is because we know that life as we know it requires certain things to exist and if all of these things are present, then life as we know may be able to exist there as well. It may not look identical to life we have here on earth but I do think that life on another planet is possible.

We do not even know where to begin for the existence of a God because a God has never presented himself to you nor I, so all we have is our imagination to go by.

I understand that is what you think. But you may be wrong. That is my point.



You do not have to explain why you feel the way you do.

But if you are going to join in asserting that the possibility of the existence of gods is near to zero...you have to provide the reasoning. And none of the stuff you have offered so far is close to reasoning.



How do you know that? How do you know how a god would present itself...or even that a god WOULD present itself? Is it not possible there are gods and they do not want to present themselves?

You do not know if there are gods involved in the REALITY of existence.



Actually, we also have our intellect. Use yours, RL. You have lots of it...and you show you are intelligent often. Use it on this issue.

We do not know if there are gods involved. Just acknowledge that. With all the respect in the world, RL, stop trying to make a case that simply cannot be made. That is what the theists constantly do...and if it seems silly to you when they do it, just imagine how silly it looks to people watching you do it.

Atheists don't make any case they abstain from it, when it comes to the question of gods.

Agnostics manufacture a position where there isn't one.

Yes Frank it is possible and it is also possible that him and the Easter bunny will be at the pub tomorrow laughing their asses off at all of us.
The reason I say this is possible, is because it statistically follows your logic and we can not prove that they will not be doing just that.



I do not use my feelings when I use logic but I do use understandings and they can be wrong at times.

For a start, I don't believe that you're trying to add value, you're just repeating the same stance over and over again. You've already made your mind up, so what's the point in discussing things?

However, one interpretation of the "many Gods" concept can be seen by looking at the Norse gods. In many ways they acted like the Vikings themselves, they struggled, and were not always successful. The idea of an all powerful god who is indifferent to the sufferings of man doesn't come up, they're having a hard time as well.

The standard interpretation of this, is that magic is the creative force, that higher beings can only utilise part of it, but it's essentially an abstract force. When you start considering the weird **** postulated by quantuum physics, magic doesn't sound too strange a definition.

When you compare a belief in the Tooth Fairy with a belief in God you're deliberately trying to belittle anyone who thinks otherwise. To make such a comparison isn't the great riposte you think it is, it's childish namecalling. You may think you're making a great point, but you're just refusing to engage in debate.

The main difference, is that belief in the supernatural is something that is taken from folklore, and other religious tracts. At the time they were thought to be true, and have helped to form the basis of a lot of world religions. The tooth fairy/Easter bunny ( although not Eostre's hare) are stories told to children that are never really meant to be taken seriously, so comparing the two is just an attempt to belittle others, and make yourself appear more intelligent.

What I think is most telling, is that the one thing that is most irritating about religious people is their need to convert others. As an atheist, that's the one aspect of religion that you've taken on board. Its most annoying aspect. You simply cannot differentiate between debate and proseletysing.

Very good Izzy you are correct that, "that is a belief of yours but beliefs do not = truth.




You forgot to say you believe so I have to say you are incorrect but even if you did say this was a belief you would still have been incorrect but you would have been telling the truth about what you believed.

The reason I used the tooth fairy is because it has the same amount of evidence and it is also a very absurd thing to believe. I am not trying to hurt peoples feelings but rather help people to see the absurdity in their beliefs.

This is a thread in which the author is asking questions to those who do or do not doubt Christianity and I think many people who come here are looking for truth regardless how inconvenient it may be.



Another belief about me. Why not go to church and be around other believers?

It is a shame that people took all of the bible literally.



It is understandable for you to be irritated by empathy that others try to share with you.
When people who are empathetic, think that they have truth, they will share it with others, because they do not want to keep something of such value all to themselves.

Most atheists actually assert there are no gods. That IS making a case. Some atheists assert the possibility of gods is near to zero...and that IS making a case.




Agnostics, for the most part, simply tell the truth. They acknowledge that they do not know if there are gods.

Your arguments here, igm, are silly.

Now...why don't you tell us why you assert that the possibility of gods existing are near to zero?

RL...you have become a mirror image of a theist.

That does not make you a bad person. But it does make you a mirror image of a theist.

I only assert that I have no evidence but I do have an imagination.




I do not know the numerical value for God in that equation but I would think it might be close to the tooth fairy's numerical value.
Do think it would be otherwise?

That's OK Frank I think that you may need to get a new prescription for your kaleidoscope.

I wonder if our friend would feel better if instead of the tooth fairy we used the name of any of the old gods that people are no longer conditioning their children to believe in?

The Tooth Fairy is no more silly then Zeus or Jesus for that matter the only difference is if the make believe figure currently have followers or not.

So the odds of a supernatural Jesus existing it equal to Zeus existing or the Tooth Fairy or my favorite the Great Pumpkin.

Exactly.

Don't refer to me as your friend. You disgust me, I'm not friends with people who are violent to women and try to groom children.

Most of my friends can construct a basic sentence as well.

Happy Easter Izzy Spades, RL, and others..



That makes no sense. Just because you realised the Tooth Fairy was fake, so was the Easter Bunny, they are fictional books... written by man for children.

Jesus...The Bible, was not written by man for children now was it ....

The un-known always has an arguement.. Which way wins? Neither.. Not on this planet anyway... But, as Adults, people are followers, they want to believe and then there are those that have seen things that are not scientifically explained and consequently, they feel ... they don't follow.. They lead.

I think the thing that people miss is the "lost souls" are the followers of a belief and some I feel sorry for, as man has made them pay, to go to Church.. To gather new property, wealth and man has hidden behind the Church, to manipulate, to seduce and to rape, pertaining to be a Priest. That's another issue but it also brings me to question.. Why someone evil, hides behind the word God and then someone evil, also disses God... which in itself is "meant" to be.. as they are the other side, Evil.

Anyways.... Chocolate sent through the cyberspace to you all.

Upon what basis do you make that claim, Frank? Have you talked to most atheists? Perhaps you're just guessing, and guessing in a manner to prop up your thesis.

Happy Easter to you too petal.

Belittling anyone who believes differently is a tactic learned in the playground, and that's where the level of debate has stayed for certain people.

Izzy it is OK to come out and say what you have learned as a child. We all pick up some bad habits.

Happy Easter Found Soul.

Last Trumpet Ministries International

The Pagan Origin Of Easter


Easter is a day that is honered by nearly all of contemporary Christianity and is used to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The holiday often involves a church service at sunrise, a feast which includes an "Easter Ham", decorated eggs and stories about rabbits.

Those who love truth learn to ask questions, and many questions must be asked regarding the holiday of Easter.

Is it truly the day when Jesus arose from the dead? Where did all of the strange customs come from, which have nothing to do with the resurrection of our Saviour?

The purpose of this tract is to help answer those questions, and to help those who seek truth to draw their own conclusions.

The first thing we must understand is that professing Christians were not the only ones who celebrated a festival called "Easter."

"Ishtar", which is pronounced "Easter" was a day that commemorated the resurrection of one of their gods that they called "Tammuz", who was believed to be the only begotten son of the moon-goddess and the sun-god.

In those ancient times, there was a man named Nimrod, who was the grandson of one of Noah's son named Ham.

Ham had a son named Cush who married a woman named Semiramis.Cush and Semiramis then had a son named him "Nimrod."

After the death of his father, Nimrod married his own mother and became a powerful King.

The Bible tells of of this man, Nimrod, in Genesis 10:8-10 as follows: "And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad,and Calneh, in the land of Shinar."

Nimrod became a god-man to the people and Semiramis, his wife and mother, became the powerful Queen of ancient Babylon.

Nimrod was eventually killed by an enemy, and his body was cut in pieces and sent to various parts of his kingdom.

Semiramis had all of the parts gathered, except for one part that could not be found.

That missing part was his reproductive organ. Semiramis claimed that Nimrod could not come back to life without it and told the people of Babylon that Nimrod had ascended to the sun and was now to be called "Baal", the sun god.

Queen Semiramis also proclaimed that Baal would be present on earth in the form of a flame, whether candle or lamp, when used in worship.

Semiramis was creating a mystery religion, and with the help of Satan, she set herself up as a goddess.

Semiramis claimed that she was immaculately conceived.

She taught that the moon was a goddess that went through a 28 day cycle and ovulated when full.

She further claimed that she came down from the moon in a giant moon egg that fell into the Euphrates River.

This was to have happened at the time of the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and her moon egg became known as "Ishtar's" egg."

Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the sun-god Baal that caused her to conceive.

The son that she brought forth was named Tammuz.

Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter.

The day came when Tammuz was killed by a wild pig.

Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.

Ishtar, who was now worshipped as the "Mother of God and Queen of Heaven", continued to build her mystery religion.

The queen told the worshippers that when Tammuz was killed by the wild pig, some of his blood fell on the stump of an evergreen tree, and the stump grew into a full new tree overnight. This made the evergreen tree sacred by the blood of Tammuz.

She also proclaimed a forty day period of time of sorrow each year prior to the anniversary of the death of Tammuz.

During this time, no meat was to be eaten.

Worshippers were to meditate upon the sacred mysteries of Baal and Tammuz, and to make the sign of the "T" in front of their hearts as they worshipped.

They also ate sacred cakes with the marking of a "T" or cross on the top.

Every year, on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox, a celebration was made.

It was Ishtar's Sunday and was celebrated with rabbits and eggs.

Ishtar also proclaimed that because Tammuz was killed by a pig, that a pig must be eaten on that Sunday.

By now, the readers of this tract should have made the connection that paganism has infiltrated the contemporary "Christian" churches, and further study indicates that this paganism came in by way of the Roman Catholic System.

The truth is that Easter has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We also know that Easter can be as much as three weeks away from the Passover, because the pagan holiday is always set as the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox.

Some have wondered why the word "Easter" is in the the King James Bible.

It is because Acts, chapter 12, tells us that it was the evil King Herod, who was planning to celebrate Easter, and not the Christians.

The true Passover and pagan Easter sometimes coincide, but in some years, they are a great distance apart.

So much more could be said, and we have much more information for you, if you are a seeker of the truth.

We know that the Bible tells us in John 4:24, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

The truth is that the forty days of Lent, eggs, rabbits,hot cross buns and the Easter ham have everything to do with the ancient pagan religion of Mystery Babylon.These are all antichrist activities!

Satan is a master deceiver, and has filled the lives of well-meaning, professing Christians with idolatry.

These things bring the wrath of God upon children of disobedience, who try to make pagan customs of Baal worship Christian.

You must answer for your activities and for what you teach your children.

These customs of Easter honor Baal, who is also Satan, and is still worshipped as the "Rising Sun" and his house is the "House of the Rising Sun."

How many churches have "sunrise services" on Ishtar's day and face the rising sun in the East?

How many will use colored eggs and rabbit stories, as they did in ancient Babylon.

These things are no joke, any more than Judgement day is a joke.

I pray to God that this tract will cause you to search for more truth.

We will be glad to help you by providing more information and by praying for you.

These are the last days, and it is time to repent, come out and be separate.

David J. Meyer

Last Trumpet Ministries International
PO Box 806
Beaver Dam, WI 53916

Your bad habit is to try to convert everyone. I don't get on with preachy people in general, regardless of what they're selling.

Your source re Easter is flawed. It's not a rabbit, it's a hare. Try googling 'Eostre,' not Ishtar.

I thought that the article was pretty good and possibly truthful except for this part.