Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

I belong to myself farmerman.. I don't have to answer to anyone, what I believe and how I live, is my right and so, it's working.

I think, just like different "cultures" there will be different "ways".. The interesting part there is, we have a choice. And, that is, if we don't like it, we move to the other well, side, of the World

Hey SOUL!
Have you found yourself yet?

Can I ask you a question?,
and try not to think about it.

I don,t want an answer off the top ov your head,
tell me from your heart.
Do you know what LOVE is?

Now, can you see the misplaced Love in the world?

For it is written,
Love not the world, neither the things in the world,
for if the love of the world is in you,
the LOVE of the father is not.

As I have said, how can you LOVE God who you cant see?,
if you can,t LOVE your BROTHER who you can see?

It is also written,
No man can serve two masters,
for he will either LOVE one and HATE the other,
or he will hold to one and despise the other.

You cannot serve God and Mammon,

Mammon - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mammon
material wealth or possessions especially as having a debasing influence <you cannot serve God and mammon — Matthew 6:24

God - Servants of Light, servants of Love, servants of pleasure, whether in Darkness or in Light.

Will you hold to God, and despise money and its' debasing influence,
or Love money and Hate God?

This is the Line that is drawn, because the Love of money is the root of all evil.
That's how Satan receives his power to control and destroy.

From the emphasis placed on money by our leaders I assume you believe they are all agents of Satan.

Do you suppose God would place such an emphasis on money? Do you think it could be determined by how many times he has the offering plate passed around the room in one day?

God doesn't pass round collection plates, he's too busy appearing in tacos and suchlike.

I am not sure about where you come from but before the offering plate gets passed around We pray that God's hand will be involved and that he will remove all burdens from the people that give and some people will give all that they have and follow Jesus.

I thought you were an atheist, what are you doing going to church?

Its a new type of religion we started.

This is better, and shorter.

I liked the dancing girl better.

Hiya Voice

I'm going to answer you this way.

When I moved house, recently. My neighbour two doors down who is a single Mother with two teenagers struggling, was given bags of clothes, hand bags, plates, quilts, outdoor setting, bbq, jewelery, all things that I would have taken to the Goodwill, as we downsized I had to get rid of alot of things.. As she is struggling it was like Christmas to her and it made me feel good.

Her son, through talk, wanted skateboard wheels... I asked him to turn up the next day and help me move and I'd give him $50.. See you at 10am. At 10am, he turned up on the dot, smiling and helped all day, smiling, no complaints...I gave him the $50. I asked him, how much these things cost. He said $70. I asked him how he was going to get the remaining $20, he said he would have to sell somethings off but didn't know what. I have him a bowl of coins and said, there should be at least $20 in there..

The next day his Mother said, he sat there all night counting them, combined with the $50, he had $98. She told him to return the difference, he said he didn't want to, he was so excited but knew he had to.. I told her, no, tell him to turn up at 10am tomorrow for 2 hrs. He did, smiling and helped without moaning and left 3hrs later.

I need to sell another house to know I'm safe for another month, I am fine for a month and a half so far, every cent helps, $100 would have been a weeks food shopping.

Do I value money more than giving?

Love.

Is when, you don't put yourself first, rather others. You don't value money more, than others.

Another tale as you bring "brother" into it.

It was my brother's birthday and mother's this weekend. I rang both.

My brother was very negative, and was turning every conversation into a negative and putting me down, for no reason.. My dog is diabetic and as we arranged to meet up at my parents, I asked my brother to try to turn up by 4.30pm, as I would have to leave due to getting home to inject Kia. His reply was put the dog down, I have kids, you don't radarada and mine was a metaphore of his kids, which he usually would have laughed at, instead he yelled, swore and was quite nasty.

I told him, "it's your birthday go and have a good day" and handed the phone over to my fiance.... He didn't ring and apologise.. I turned up at the family home, left at 5pm, he hadn't arrived...nor my kids "his kids", they were running late.

When he got there, he opened his presents but before that, his card. It was one that I had bought before this arguement. It was of two children playing on the beach and words basically of , love for my brother then and now.. I wrote a notation, " I believe family is important, through stressful times and good, I hope this year is one of happiness for you"....

He rang me and stated, "you bought that card before the arguement didn't you" I said yes. He apologised and stated that he is under alot of stress at the moment, financially and realised he took it all out on me.

The bottom line there is, I love my brother, I knew when he went off that it wasn't me, that it was stress and I coped it.. I could have ignored him for months for what he said, how he reacted, but instead I still gave him that card, and made a notation, one that he realised immediately.

That's love.

But I get what you are saying.

1. People use the word flippently
2. People are greedy and their love is for material things, which is made up of money.

So, do I know, yes Mr Voice, I do.. And have I found myself, I've told you before, with age comes wisdom, with wisdom comes understanding and I am at peace with myself, love myself but not "up myself" and love full stop. Always have. Regardless of what has been taken from me.

I didn't have to think about it:)

Satan is the creation of the mind of Lucifer, for the purpose of exalting his Kingdom above God's kingdom, within the imaginations of men.
All are blind leaders of the blind.

If the love of money is the root of all evil, what grew forth from the root, culminating with this generation? The kingdom of Darkness you are experiencing now.

When Satan is cast out of heaven into the earth, he is cast out of the imagination of the children of LIGHT into the imagination of the children of DARKNESS.

Satan is the pied piper all of the wicked will follow into the Darkness of their own destruction.

Love is misplaced in the dark coldness of mens' hearts, placed on themselves and what they can have. The love of money has degraded the masses to exalt the few.

If you place more value on one than on the other, you have only devalued the other, what is the true worth of a man?

It seems that many people are blind to what you speak of but what you are saying seems true. I see this most every day by those who labor the hardest and are paid the least, The people who build the nice new neighborhoods but yet live in slums.
The intellectuals and some nonintellectuals are able to take advantage of the intellectually and environmentally challenged people.
You probably relate this to a "Satan" type of problem and I relate this to "Us" being primitive and that we came out of the trees "so to speak" long ago. "evolution". Some people may think we are fallen angles, "I think we are risen apes.
" Study the old world apes and you will see things that were happening in the old testament. "You will also see things that people do today"
Apes go into there neighboring territory and kill off all the males and keeping the females for themselves. " Reminds me of something I read in the old testament."
Some of us may be advancing morally but the problem seems to be that our ethical radius does not extend very far and we are taught that it is normal to financially rape our love ones and the church seems to be promoting this ideology disguised as tough love.

I assume you think, rl, that the "seems" absolves you from explaining exactly where the Church is promoting the ideology of financially raping our loved ones. Without an explanation all you have is a cheap smear.

Spendius I am not trying to put down the church because I think the church is no more at fault with this than the rest of mankind. We are a bunch of animals acting like animals and it is us that makes up the church, so if we are not able to acknowledge a problem then how can the church be held responsible for not preaching against this immorality?

I'm more interested in your use of "seems" rl. And how the usage enabled you to indulge in a cheap smear without you actually being responsible for having said anything empirically.

I can only assume that you take A2Kers stupidity for granted. I don't see any other alternative. If there is one I would be obliged if you explained it. I'm always ready and eager to have gaps in my knowledge filled in.

I am glad that you value your love ones if you do. A sad truth is that we live in a sick society and have many people in our culture that have not talked to their Mothers in years, as they have arguments with them and break off all communications.
We also have mothers that have given birth to healthy babies and place their babies in garbage cans and in other places. But you know this type of behavior has been going on for thousands of years. It seems that even intelligent people behaved like this long ago.
If I am not mistaken I have read the works of a great philosopher who wrote, "how it requires an experienced lady to determine whether a child should be put on top of the hill to die. It may not of been all that bad though as I have read that not all of the babies died, as some people would come and get some of them and turn them into slaves.


I do often wonder what could be the root cause of all of this evil.

[This is not in any way intended to put anyone down but to only give the reader a different point of view, so please keep in check with reality!]

I do hope that this may be the last of the hypothetical questionings that I have to ask on this point of view, in order to share my point of view with you and all of the readers.
I would like to ask you and all of the other readers a few hypothetical questions!
I will try to keep this simple.
If your mother was a maid and cleaned houses for a living, "her pay very well may be at the bottom of our pay scale. Let us imagine that her car broke down and she only had enough money for the parts, "You just happen to be a mechanic. "You look at her car and you see that the water pump went out and that it will take you about six hours to fix it, because the water pump is in a hard place to get. I can only guess that you would probably help her free of charge?

Now lets say that your mother did not want to see you labor for her free of charge and instead she asked if it would be OK if she cleaned your house washed your cloths and cooked you a good dinner instead.

Would it be immoral of her to ask such a question of you being that you earn $60.00 per hour and she only earns $10.00 per hour?

Now I would like to bring into question our philosophy of competition and rank as it will seem to be what guides her pay scale. [so to speak] We can see how it may seem immoral for us to take advantage of our love ones environmental challenges in a direct way.

We can overcome this view of immorality against our love ones by taking advantage of their environmental or intellectual challenges in a indirect way! They are not all as smart as us so they will not see this! You can take advantage of my love ones and I can take advantage of yours and we can trade their labors between ourselves. We can rule and be happy?

We can call this competition and rank, We can teach this philosophy to our love ones in so many ways that it will become the norm and it may seem as a Divine right. Who knows we may even go to war over this one day.

Example. If I was a dentist and your mother had bad teeth and needed help I could fix them in about 2 hours and charge her 1 months worth of her labor. It is not all that bad because you are a mechanic and I have a few cars, a couple of personal water crafts and a boat that will need to be repaired and you will be able to profit off of your own mother as well. I will give you a cut of what I have gained from your mother. Their will be no need to have sorrow for your mother who has labored so hard to feed you and your siblings when you were growing up.
I am sure that many of you will give some of this money back to your own mothers, being that this money was received from your mothers laboring right? yes? If Not Then it does appears to me that you also have indirectly raped your own mother of her labors because you have agreed with this philosophy.
Is this the wrong way of viewing this? If so please explain the correct way.

I just sent my mother some flowers, it is Mother's Day after all.

I value what I value.



I don't think we live in a sick society. It doesn't matter what "many people" do. I read the other day that some companies in the US have sacked people for being too close to their parents.



It is generally agreed that pure Christian thinking is good. So I suppose degrees of rejection of it is the cause.

I wouldn't repair a motorist's car for free. Too right. If she is presentable I might be persauded in various other ways. I certainly wouldn't want her cleaning my house or washing my clothes or cooking my dinner.



No. She can try anything on that's legal as far as I'm concerned. I don't know why she's on $10 an hour or why I'm on $60. There's millions lucky to get a dollar a week. A dollar is a lot of money to them. It's to do with too much fornication I shouldn't wonder. Christian principles inhibit fornication. Quite severely if strictly applied. So once again you can put your problem down to lack of Christian principles. Do you think it is caused by some other factor.

If I was a dentist and a hobo had toothache I would pull his tooth out and fix him a cheese and tomato sandwich. I might slip him a few bob as well. I've talked to maybe 5 or6 hobos in my time. Not bad chaps actually. I would have a practice at it rl if I was you because you sound a bit like they must have done before it all got too much.

There is no correct way of solving the idiotic puzzles you are presenting.

You are not alone in your thinking, I am sure there are other people that agree with you.



This is your mother we are talking about.



When talking about your own mother do you often have these types of thoughts?



Maybe that is why it has continued for as long as it has, because many others found it idiotic as well.

Spendius I do think that the first people "therapeutae" that did not sell all of what they possessed, but rather gave it all away and tried to lead a moral life, were much different from today's modern Christians.

Christianity seems to have evolved into something completely different than what the therapeutae may have intended.

These seem to be our first Christians "Christian Moral Philosophers"
"These men abandon their property without being influenced by any predominant attraction, and flee without even turning their heads back again."
—Philo para. 18

On the seventh day the Therapeutae met in a meeting house, the men on one side of an open partition, the women modestly on the other, to hear discourses. Once in seven weeks they meet for a night-long vigil after a banquet where they served one another, for "they are not waited on by slaves, because they deem any possession of servants whatever to be contrary to nature. For she has begotten all men alike free" (Philo, para.70) and sing antiphonal hymns until dawn.