Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@XXSpadeMasterXX,

to quote you, and others...

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@reasoning logic,

That is your science to thank for that one...

It is not out of touch with reality, to have experiences which throw a wrench into the whole scientific/logical/reasoning theory...Matter of fact, you just said people are devolving...I would say to that, how the hell is any scientist gonna tell me what is going on in my head, and what my experiences are, When he is going farther and farther from the straight path?

Who is going to know and understand me, better than I know myself? and what the dreams and experiences actually mean? What would a scientist say to me, if I said that to him/or her? How could they convince me they "know" or understand anything their talking about? Logically, and rationally... etc...Could they not be wrong about this as well? and devolving? Could it be that they do not know what is going on with peoples personal experiences, and can't explain them, and most are atheist, or agnostic...and they write people off?? Because their humans, and make mistakes like everyone else? If were devolving, what makes their word, better than another's?

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@reasoning logic,

Logic and reason always comes first, the problem is that logic and reason are progressive so what was logical yesterday may become make-believe tomorrow.

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@Chights47,

But then how would you explain people are devolving? (I know you feel this way, I remember you posting about scientists getting more and more wrong) That personal view, has to be wrong, then...Doesn't it??

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@FOUND SOUL,

This is what amazes me personally....People who believe, and finding it easier to see evidence of strengthening their faith...People who doubt, are finding reasons to doubt more...and agnostics are gently, and quietly in the middle, and probably the m0st peaceful, patient people here!

The thing that amazes me, is if Doubters are right, what are they doing spending their one and only life debating with theists, if there not compelled to be here, and God is not a part of reality to them??

(this is not meant as a personal attack toward anyone) (just a personal opinion, from observations)

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Let me pose a question.

Do you believe any of them, live life differently due to their beliefs, in-other-words are happier, or not happier as a result?

When we were kids, we would (as girls) believe in the princess, snow white, as (kids) Easter Bunny, or Witches:) So, with that, the more we celebrates ie) Easter, the more we "saw" the Easter Bunny come hoping across that lawn, or Father Xmas we swore that we saw the reindeer, or heard the bells. And no one, no one, was going to change our minds, they were real...

How did that make you feel as a kid?

If people don't believe there is a God, did they believe in the Easter Bunny or Father Christmas or didn't believe in them either.

Likewise those on the fence, kind of believed weren't sure?

And, so, therefore, how does each live their lives differently.....Those that believe there is a God, have excellent visualisation? Good at fantasizing? Or do all people have that, regardless, therefore, it purely and surely is only Faith in God that sets them apart as different.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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Do you believe any of them, live life differently due to their beliefs, in-other-words are happier, or not happier as a result?

Yes, I believe some are, and some are not...

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When we were kids, we would (as girls) believe in the princess, snow white, as (kids) Easter Bunny, or Witches:) So, with that, the more we celebrates ie) Easter, the more we "saw" the Easter Bunny come hoping across that lawn, or Father Xmas we swore that we saw the reindeer, or heard the bells. And no one, no one, was going to change our minds, they were real...

How did that make you feel as a kid?

It felt great at the time...

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If people don't believe there is a God, did they believe in the Easter Bunny or Father Christmas or didn't believe in them either.

I am sure some did, Some may never have known about them to begin with...

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Likewise those on the fence, kind of believed weren't sure?

Depends, it is hard to explain by those Ideas...Because they came at a time in our lives that if you heard about them you probably believed...I can't imagine a 5 year old kid, who could really know and understand there was no such thing that young...but I get your drift...

People who are in between, probably are just happy with where they are, and where they have been, and where they're going...kinda just coasting thru life...easily, and gently, really open-minded about possibilities to everything, and listen very well and attentively...but are not concerned about being right or wrong....and also are not looking to cause problems with either side...

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And, so, therefore, how does each live their lives differently.....Those that believe there is a God, have excellent visualisation? Good at fantasizing? Or do all people have that, regardless, therefore, it purely and surely is only Faith in God that sets them apart as different.

I would not call it visualization, or fantasizing...I would say that there are a lot of things not known about the human brain...(for instance, there is a saying (not sure how true it is) that we use 10% of our brain) lets just say that for argument sake we (as humans, on average use 10-20%) I think everyone has the ability, and capability to tap into the understandings, and perceptions, and experiences of the Spirit world...Or having e.s.p. or having insight as into things that people would not even dream of...Part of the reason, it doesn't happen...Is because it is not known how to tap into it...(I believe it is by truly calling for God) Another, is people do not want to deal with it...(in other words, I have a prophetic gift, but it also is a very strenuous, enormous, hard gift, to have and balance)...But with that, I do believe it is the greatest gift on Earth, like God says, and I know how special it is...And another reason is people who can kinda get the feel of it, do not like it, and dismiss it, or try to hide from it...Because it is kinda a brain twister to think about these kinds of things...And most people, like to remain in their comfort zones...

So, I believe all people have some form of it...But faith activates it...and inhibits it to grow, and manifest itself, and work properly...the ones who deny it exists, probably have already written such amazing extraordinary things as bogus, and they will never see, or be aware of the gift they have on Earth...Or be able to unlock it...For their not looking to, and God is not going to torment them if they do not want the gift, or wish to use it...So it is a waste...and God knows this....Therefor, when someone chooses to activate, or unlock their gift, their eyes will be open to a world they never ever dreamed existed...

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@FOUND SOUL,

And if you think about it...Doubters have already put themselves in an awkward position...For they are already limiting themselves, and whatever God is real...Or trying to...they are fighting against him...though they have the do as much as you can here in your one life down...Why? I don't know, I am sure millions are atheist just so they can rebel...and not progress humanity....Agnostics are happily in the middle...And believers know and understand that all things are possible, and things are limitless, and are beyond the one life thing, and do not limit themselves or God, but it is not translated well, for they do not strive to be the best they can, here...almost like it is a rush to get to Heaven...When honestly, I can't really say I blame them there for that...I know what the world is, and what it is worth, and take it at face value...

The key is being as great of a person you can be here, but also being encompassed by God...For a perpetual life after...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

But then how would you explain people are devolving? (I know you feel this way, I remember you posting about scientists getting more and more wrong) That personal view, has to be wrong, then...Doesn't it??

I don't remember ever saying that we are devolving but I do believe that I said that some people try to make the "waters" of knowledge and reason stagnant by holding on to these superstitious and make-believe idea's which puts a halt to the advancement of our species.

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@Chights47,

Do you believe scientists are getting more and more wrong?

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@Chights47,

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Logic and reason always comes first, the problem is that logic and reason are progressive so what was logical yesterday may become make-believe tomorrow.

Thank you for sharing, I do think you may have it correct. It does seem that even make-believe requires some form of logic and reasoning.
Maybe what I should have asked was, "What came first, "logical reasoning with an in-depth understanding of the physical world" or did make-believe and superstition come first?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Do you believe scientists are getting more and more wrong?

No. But the more you know the more you have to be wrong about.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Matter of fact, you just said people are devolving..

I was trying to share something with you but you did not seem to get that I was joking.

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I would say to that, how the hell is any scientist gonna tell me what is going on in my head, and what my experiences are, When he is going farther and farther from the straight path?

Do you have some sort of evidence that scientist are going farther and farther from the straight path?

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Who is going to know and understand me, better than I know myself? and what the dreams and experiences actually mean? What would a scientist say to me, if I said that to him/or her? How could they convince me they "know" or understand anything their talking about? Logically, and rationally... etc...Could they not be wrong about this as well? and devolving? Could it be that they do not know what is going on with peoples personal experiences, and can't explain them, and most are atheist, or agnostic...and they write people off?? Because their humans, and make mistakes like everyone else? If were devolving, what makes their word, better than another's?

You could try and forget what you know for a little while and listen to what they have to say and see if it makes sense to you.
It is so hard not to be biased, "if not impossible.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Do you believe scientists are getting more and more wrong?

Perhaps, but not intentionally. Scientists pursue paths of knowledge which may or may not be correct, we experiment and pursue facts for things in which we do not completely understand or wish to have a better understanding for. Scientists ultimately try to pursue truth, but don't always head in that specific direction...I of course also mean real scientists who pursue truth in an unbaised or opinionated way, unlike people like Kent Hovind (if you could even call him a scientist in the first place).

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

Thank you for sharing, I do think you may have it correct. It does seem that even make-believe requires some form of logic and reasoning.
Maybe what I should have asked was, "What came first, "logical reasoning with an in-depth understanding of the physical world" or did make-believe and superstition come first?

I know what you're getting at and it would be the same answer because it's a matter of perspective. Unless what you're really getting at is whether all knowledge and understanding came first of make-believe and superstition because without knowing everything we cannot truly state what is true verses what is make-believe. We can only state what we believe to be truth based on what we believe we know, not necessarily what is true.

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@Chights47,

I not sure that I am with you 100%. The way I see it is, "absolute certainty is unattainable but there are some things that are "closer" to being correct than others.
Example Heliocentric model vs geocentric model, It does seem that the scientific method is what will put satellites in space where as believing will not.

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@reasoning logic,

I'm inclined to believe in the heliocentric model vs the geocentric model but how can we be certain that the heliocentric model is actually correct? Perhaps we will come across some new evidence that will turn the heliocentric model on its head? We progress towards truth but we cannot really know what is truly, we can only state our understandings of what we believe that we know. We use to believe that the sun revolved around the earth but now we believe that the earth revolves around the sun. Are people 500 years from now going to look back on today and say that people in 2012 finally got everything right? We cannot truly know anything until we know everything.

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@Chights47,

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Are people 500 years from now going to look back on today and say that people in 2012 finally got everything right? We cannot truly know anything until we know everything.

No I doubt very seriously that people will think we got it correct but they will still say that the heliocentric model was closer to the truth than the geocentric model. They will not decide that we should go back to the old model.

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@reasoning logic,

I know what you mean, I simply view things as right and wrong though. If something isn't right then it's wrong, the only difference is that more evidence has been acquired to give us a different perspective so that we make different claims. I don't think that we will ever go back to a previously falsified answer, but that doesn't automatically make any new claims anymore correct.

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