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Finally Someone Wakes up to the Fact that American Men are in Trouble!

 
 
Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2011 12:59 pm
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NEW YORK (AP) — New York City will spend $127 million in public and private funds on programs designed to help young black and Latino men.
Billionaire Mayor Michael Bloomberg will kick in $30 million from his foundation and hedge fund manager George Soros will match that amount, according to the mayor's office. The remaining $67.5 million will be paid by the city.
The Young Men's Initiative was first reported by The New York Times on Wednesday. The mayor's office called it the nation's "boldest and most comprehensive effort to tackle the broad disparities slowing the advancement of black and Latino young men" in a statement.
It will include job placement, fatherhood classes and training for probation officers and school staff on how to help the young men get ahead. More than a dozen city agencies will be involved.
The program will target about 315,000 black and Latino men between the ages of 16 and 24

http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-spend-127m-minority-programs-men-071210489.html

This is progress. Now we see how much crap Bloomberg gets for breaking the taboo.
 
Sturgis
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2011 03:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
It's just Bloomy running scared, he received lower approval ratings a day or so before and wants to become popyeelur again. Watching a few moments of his blather this morning, it was clear he's disinterested in what happens to the young people, it's all about whether we'll like him or not. He was merely reading words off in a dull monotone.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2011 03:14 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

, it was clear he's disinterested in what happens to the young people, it's all about whether we'll like him or not. He was merely reading words off in a dull monotone.
Had he been following the script he would have said the opposite, that women are victims and so he is creating a new program to help them over come their disadvantages. Saying that men could use some extra help took balls.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2011 03:41 pm
so things get better for them, big deal, it's not like they're gonna have indian women to marry Wink
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2011 04:04 pm
@djjd62,
And there are some wonderful hand held computer games.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 5 Aug, 2011 02:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
This is a program specifically targeted toward the needs of urban Latino and Black young men in New York City.

Where does this infer that "American men are in trouble"? What does this program have to do with American men in general?
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Now we see how much crap Bloomberg gets for breaking the taboo.

What taboo? There is a taboo about trying to help young minority males in NYC? Helping to empower this group, of about 300,000 people, to break out of the cycle of poverty and violence, ultimately benefits everyone else in the City as well.

I admire Bloomberg for using the funds of his private foundation in this way. He has the resources and he's using them to try to improve life for this segment of the population. I hope his efforts do meet with some success.
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PBS NEWSHOUR
NEWSMAKER INTERVIEW AIR DATE: Aug. 4, 2011
Bloomberg Kicks Off New Effort to Empower Black, Latino Men

SUMMARY
New York City's Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced a $127 million, three-year plan to coordinate city agencies and efforts with a goal of reducing disparities between young black and Latino men and the rest of the population. Jeffrey Brown discusses the new program with Bloomberg, who will contribute $30 million of his own money.

Transcript
JEFFREY BROWN: "Blacks and Latinos are not fully sharing in the promise of American freedom."

That from a speech this morning by New York City Major Michael Bloomberg, who announced a $127 million, three-year plan to coordinate city agencies and efforts, with a goal of reducing disparities between young black and Latino men and the rest of the population.

Among much else, the city would create job recruitment centers in public housing projects, place new probation centers in high-risk areas to enable young men to stay closer to home, and, for the first time, the Department of Education would make the success of blacks and Latinos a part of school progress reports.

The mayor himself will contribute $30 million through his foundation, an amount being matched by financier George Soros. The rest comes from the city.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg joins us now from City Hall in New York.

And welcome to you.

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG, (I) mayor of New York: Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

JEFFREY BROWN: What exactly, first, is the problem, as you see it, and how serious is it?

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: Well, for a long time, people have said there's nothing you can do about it.

But blacks and Latinos score terribly in school testing compared to whites and Asians. If you look at our jails, it's predominantly minorities. If you look at where crime takes place, it's in minority neighborhoods. If you look at who the victims and the perpetrators are, it's virtually all minorities.

This is something that has gone on for a long time. I assume it's prevalent elsewhere, but certainly true in New York City. And for many, many years, people said there was just nothing you can do about it. Now, what we have done in the last 10 years is we have cut the testing gap in schools for black and Latino kids vs. white and Asian kids in half, but they still are way behind.

We have tried to diversify our police department, so that it really does measure the -- mirror the community's ethnicity. And they have brought crime down dramatically. We have the lowest crime rate we have ever had in the history of the city. And that's particularly important to black and Latino kids and their families and their neighborhoods, because that is where the crime is.

So they benefit from that. And we have done a number of these kinds of things, trying to attract the kind of jobs that are available to people who maybe don't have a formal education, have dropped out of school, or don't have great command of the English language, or have a blemish on their resume which would keep them from getting a job at a more traditional firm where they do an extensive background check.

JEFFREY BROWN: Well...

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: And so we have tried to attract industries that can use the people here who are unemployed.

But, nevertheless, there's this enormous cohort of black and Latino males aged, let's say, 16 to 25 that don't have jobs, don't have any prospects, don't know how to find jobs, don't know that the -- what their skill sets are, don't know how to behave in the workplace, where they have to work collaboratively and collectively.

JEFFREY BROWN: Well, let me, if I -- let me, if I -- excuse me, but let me, if I could, ask you for a specific example, because you are saying all these things you have been doing have not been enough.

So I listed some of the examples. One key that you talk about in the jobs area is linking employers with young men who are or have been in prison. Now, how specifically -- what will change? How will you go about convincing employers that these people should be employed?

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: Well, I think employers, if you can show them that these kids have paid their debt to society and have gotten some training afterwards, so they know how to fit into the workplace, there are jobs where they can participate, have the dignity of being self-sufficient, contribute to their employer, and get along with everybody else.

There are some jobs where, if you have a criminal record, you're just not going to get. They are some public safety things where it just doesn't fit. But there will be jobs if we can get these kids, get their families together, even if their fathers don't live with their mothers or have never been married, or even maybe they're in jail, get the fathers engaged.

A lot of statistics show that, if the father is engaged, it gives the kids some understanding that he's heading down the wrong path. And then assign mentors to them on one-on-one basis, so that there is somebody who has been successful, has a job, has a family, fits into society, and that they can go to.

You know, a lot of these kids, it isn't that they're bad kids. It's that once they made a mistake, it's very difficult to recover from that. But we have an obligation to them, if not for compassionate reasons, just for selfish reasons.

Three-quarters of all kids in New York City that go to jail, serve a period and come out, go right back to the jail.

JEFFREY BROWN: But...

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: Three-quarters of them go back within a very short period of time.

JEFFREY BROWN: Yes.

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: We have just got to break that cycle.

JEFFREY BROWN: But, as you say, the aspiration, the goal has been there for a long time. You, yourself, have tried many things that don't seem to -- that don't seem to have worked.

What has been -- when you look back, when your staff and everybody was looking at all this, what have been the chief stumbling blocks, and how do you get past them this time?

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: Well, I think, number one, it's not fair to say we haven't made some progress, because there's an awful lot of kids that we have helped. They have gotten through the most difficult periods in their lives. They are constructive members of society.

For all I know, one is going to be the next mayor of New York City. For all I know, one will win a Nobel Prize. We have made a difference. We haven't made enough difference, and we haven't reached out to as many kids as we think we could.

There are some simple things you can do. For example, if you want to apply for a job, they say, let me see some I.D.

A lot of our kids don't have an I.D. They just don't have any document that shows who they are. And so, if you apply for a federal or a state or a city program, or if you try to apply for a job, you just don't have the documentation. You and I think everybody has an I.D. Of course, they would have an I.D. They must have a Social Security card. They must have a driver's license, whatever.

These kids don't have that. And so just getting them through that kind of stuff would make a difference.

JEFFREY BROWN: And can I ask you briefly, I mean, you obviously thought this was important enough to put a lot of your own money in through your foundation. Does it not...

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: Yes.

JEFFREY BROWN: Does it not happen otherwise? Does it not get done otherwise?

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: Well, look, the reality of today's economy is, nobody wants to pay more taxes. We can't afford the services that we have gotten accustomed to. We are not likely to add more services in the immediate future. And so, if we want to do something now, we have got to do a public-private partnership.

The other thing is that private money is different than public money. It's much smaller. For example, our school system costs us $22 billion a year to run. So, you can't make a meaningful difference in our public school system with the amount of money we can raise in the private sector.

On the other hand, with private money, you can try new things that you can't do with public money. Public money, you really have to be able to be reasonably assured that the programs, the things you do with it are going to work. You can't take a gamble on something that's off-the-wall that may have enormous payback, but has enormous risks with it.

With private money, you can do a demonstration project with exactly that, find out what works, and then, if it works, put it back into the system and let the public pay for it.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs/july-dec11/bloomberg_08-04.html



izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 5 Aug, 2011 02:21 pm
@firefly,
You're quite right, even when Hawkeye has some good news he has to couch it in dreary pessimism. He's pessimistic because it's proving his world view is wrong.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 5 Aug, 2011 02:42 pm
@izzythepush,
And it shows how Hawkeye readily distorts the meaning of things--in this case a news article--in order to bolster his view that all American men are in trouble because they are being disadvantaged by women in some way. Of course, the article he posted, and the new program in NYC, have nothing to do with American men, in general, being in trouble, or suffering because resources go to women, but Hawk just hates to waste any opportunity to make another propaganda pitch for his view of things.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 5 Aug, 2011 02:46 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

And it shows how Hawkeye readily distorts the meaning of things--in this case a news article--in order to bolster his view that all American men are in trouble because they are being disadvantaged by women in some way. Of course, the article he posted, and the new program in NYC, have nothing to do with American men, in general, being in trouble, or suffering because resources go to women, but Hawk just hates to waste any opportunity to make another propaganda pitch for his view of things.
The fact that Boomberg's effort to help men with a program that is confined to men only is so rare speaks volumns. The vast majority of programs of assistance that discriminate on gender wall out men. Getting programs to help minority men is the first step towards getting programs to help all men, because helping minorities is always more easy to do politically.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 5 Aug, 2011 05:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The vast majority of programs of assistance that discriminate on gender wall out men. Getting programs to help minority men is the first step towards getting programs to help all men, because helping minorities is always more easy to do politically.

There is a big difference between programs that "discriminate on gender" and programs that target a particular group because of the special needs of that group. I don't see this program as discriminating by gender, any more than a nutrition program for low income pregnant women would be discriminating by gender. If anything, this program is targeting on the basis of race and ethnicity because it is directed at younger males in certain minority groups who have specific problems with educational achievement and finding and maintaining employment, and those problems pre-dispose them to run-ins with the law further contributing to a cycle of poverty, crime, and violence in their lives. This is a legitimate special needs group, and gender is not the primary factor. "All men" are not in need of this type of special assistance.

The fact is, Hawkeye, the title of this thread distorts the nature and intention of this program. This program is not a recognition of "the Fact that American Men are in Trouble"--it has nothing to do with men in general, or American men, as an entire group, being in trouble.

But you were so fast to jump on your soapbox to complain, yet again, about men being disadvantaged by women, or neglected in favor of women, whether that is even true or not, that you pounced on something irrelevant to the issue and then tried to twist it so it would support your point of view. Most social welfare programs do not discriminate by gender, but they do, more accurately, focus on the special needs of particular groups, groups which might have a preponderance of one gender. That's not a negative form of discrimination--it is not unfairly excluding the other gender. In the case of the NYC program, the issues they are trying to address impact the males in those minority groups much more than they effect the females, and that is the reason the resources should target those men. It has nothing to do with discrimination by gender, or favoritism on the basis of gender--it has to do with need.




hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 5 Aug, 2011 06:30 pm
@firefly,
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"All men" are not in need of this type of special assistance.
You know of course that we disagree, but as usual you do not allow others the right to disagree with you nor the possibility that those who disagree with you are correct, which is all that you are saying with the rest of your post. It is your customary lack of respect for other people
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2011 02:20 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

It is your customary lack of respect for other people


I don't think so, I think it's your customary desire to talk complete bollocks.
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