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I am (as usual) confused

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:40 pm
@ossobuco,
My first cooking was probably baking Toll House cookies with my mother when I was about six. And I enjoyed watching my mother and grandmother cook, but I don't think I really learned how to cook from either of them.

I don't remember doing any cooking in Girl Scouts. But I do remember going door to door trying to sell the GS cookies.

We had Home Economics in Junior High and did some cooking. I remember making apple sauce and some type of jelly and I think we made peanut butter cookies--not exactly the most useful things to know how to cook, but it taught us some basic stuff.

I must have started watching cooking shows on TV when I was about 11 and I used to watch them regularly, and I really think that's how I learned to cook. I was a devoted fan of Julia Child from her earliest days on public television. I'm still learning useful things when I watch cooking shows now.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:41 pm
@msolga,
Olga, I must correct myself. The woman who volunteered to teach us in her house, as a girl scout woman, was a good person, never mind the fanciness of pralines and popovers, that I now figure must have been recipes from where she was from. She did teach us how to make biscuits too.

I think women or men who teach children how to cook are very useful.
Women or men who teach grown ups how to cook, very useful.

msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:48 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
I think women or men who teach children how to cook are very useful.

Oh me, too, osso.
But, with so many families requiring two breadwinners to make ends meet these days, those sorts of "passed on" skills from one generation to the next could be lost, because of lack of time & energy.
(This is not an argument that mothers should stay home while husbands go to work, btw. Wink )

ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:51 pm
@firefly,
I sold girl scout cookies in the rain under the bridge for the El station in Evanston...

the same El station, if I remember, that had the magic store... Maple Avenue?

I wasn't alone, my mother was under the bridge with me. My present word choice would be 'dank'. I know now people live under bridges, but I didn't know then. Dank.

Years later, I did have the book from the woman with the toll house cookies, Ruth something. I gave it to a collector pal. (I don't care about money, except when I'm low on it, and even then.)
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:53 pm
@msolga,
I know, we are talking to the convinced, each other.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 10:02 pm
@ossobuco,
And we are right, osso! Wink
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 10:27 pm
@msolga,
Some of us should teach. Hands on is more useful, in my view, than a video.

Well, that may be argued. I think hands on is good as a start.

I was watching some link to an italian regional persona video recently, re a woman from Ravenna. Probably from the Guardian, but who knows. Anyway, I was off and on semi lost through a fair part of the video in italian, though I loved it, but managed to nab a link - re Ciambellone, a kind of easter bread.
So, I think the internet is wonderful.

But many don't have useful kitchens, much less access to such internet wonders.
I think personal contact is good.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2011 09:37 pm
@ossobuco,
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I sold girl scout cookies in the rain under the bridge for the El station in Evanston...

I am haunted by this poignant image of a poor little Girl Scout, huddled under a bridge, trying to sell her cookies in the rain. Did you get any takers?

I really hated peddling those cookies, which I mostly did door-to-door when I had to. My mother wound up buying a lot of them from me.

I did have one very memorable cookie sale--to the actor Jack Carson. A fellow Girl Scout and myself were commissioned to man a table outside a theater where Broadway bound shows made out-of-town try outs. We sold few cookies that night, but ate enough to make both of us sick. After the show, the playwright George S. Kaufman walked out with Jack Carson. I immediately recognized Kaufman from having seen him on some TV panel show and I excitedly leaped out of my chair, ran to him, addressed him by name, and implored him to buy some cookies. What a creep! He did everything but kick me in the shins and tell me to get lost. I must have looked very crestfallen and hurt because Carson immediately pulled out his wallet, gave me a big smile, and said, "I'd love to buy some cookies from you". What a sweet guy. To this day, when I see one of his old movies, I remember that night and how nice he was to me.
When I got home, I told my mother about my big sale, and then promptly threw up from all the cookies I'd eaten. Even now, the sight of Girl Scout cookies makes me faintly nauseous, but the sight of Jack Carson makes me smile.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 11:05 am
This writer advocates a return to cooking meals as a partial solution to some of the problems we have been discussing in this thread, as well as challenging the notion that junk food is cheaper than healthier fare prepared at home.
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The New York Times
September 24, 2011
Is Junk Food Really Cheaper?
By MARK BITTMAN

THE “fact” that junk food is cheaper than real food has become a reflexive part of how we explain why so many Americans are overweight, particularly those with lower incomes. I frequently read confident statements like, “when a bag of chips is cheaper than a head of broccoli ...” or “it’s more affordable to feed a family of four at McDonald’s than to cook a healthy meal for them at home.”

This is just plain wrong. In fact it isn’t cheaper to eat highly processed food: a typical order for a family of four — for example, two Big Macs, a cheeseburger, six chicken McNuggets, two medium and two small fries, and two medium and two small sodas — costs, at the McDonald’s a hundred steps from where I write, about $28. (Judicious ordering of “Happy Meals” can reduce that to about $23 — and you get a few apple slices in addition to the fries!)

In general, despite extensive government subsidies, hyperprocessed food remains more expensive than food cooked at home. You can serve a roasted chicken with vegetables along with a simple salad and milk for about $14, and feed four or even six people. If that’s too much money, substitute a meal of rice and canned beans with bacon, green peppers and onions; it’s easily enough for four people and costs about $9. (Omitting the bacon, using dried beans, which are also lower in sodium, or substituting carrots for the peppers reduces the price further, of course.)

Another argument runs that junk food is cheaper when measured by the calorie, and that this makes fast food essential for the poor because they need cheap calories. But given that half of the people in this country (and a higher percentage of poor people) consume too many calories rather than too few, measuring food’s value by the calorie makes as much sense as measuring a drink’s value by its alcohol content. (Why not drink 95 percent neutral grain spirit, the cheapest way to get drunk?)

Besides, that argument, even if we all needed to gain weight, is not always true. A meal of real food cooked at home can easily contain more calories, most of them of the “healthy” variety. (Olive oil accounts for many of the calories in the roast chicken meal, for example.)In comparing prices of real food and junk food, I used supermarket ingredients, not the pricier organic or local food that many people would consider ideal. But food choices are not black and white; the alternative to fast food is not necessarily organic food, any more than the alternative to soda is Bordeaux.

The alternative to soda is water, and the alternative to junk food is not grass-fed beef and greens from a trendy farmers’ market, but anything other than junk food: rice, grains, pasta, beans, fresh vegetables, canned vegetables, frozen vegetables, meat, fish, poultry, dairy products, bread, peanut butter, a thousand other things cooked at home — in almost every case a far superior alternative.

“Anything that you do that’s not fast food is terrific; cooking once a week is far better than not cooking at all,” says Marion Nestle, professor of food studies at New York University and author of “What to Eat.” “It’s the same argument as exercise: more is better than less and some is a lot better than none.”

THE fact is that most people can afford real food. Even the nearly 50 million Americans who are enrolled in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly known as food stamps) receive about $5 per person per day, which is far from ideal but enough to survive. So we have to assume that money alone doesn’t guide decisions about what to eat. There are, of course, the so-called food deserts, places where it’s hard to find food: the Department of Agriculture says that more than two million Americans in low-income rural areas live 10 miles or more from a supermarket, and more than five million households without access to cars live more than a half mile from a supermarket.

Still, 93 percent of those with limited access to supermarkets do have access to vehicles, though it takes them 20 more minutes to travel to the store than the national average. And after a long day of work at one or even two jobs, 20 extra minutes — plus cooking time — must seem like an eternity.

Taking the long route to putting food on the table may not be easy, but for almost all Americans it remains a choice, and if you can drive to McDonald’s you can drive to Safeway. It’s cooking that’s the real challenge. (The real challenge is not “I’m too busy to cook.” In 2010 the average American, regardless of weekly earnings, watched no less than an hour and a half of television per day. The time is there.)

The core problem is that cooking is defined as work, and fast food is both a pleasure and a crutch. “People really are stressed out with all that they have to do, and they don’t want to cook,” says Julie Guthman, associate professor of community studies at the University of California, Santa Cruz, and author of the forthcoming “Weighing In: Obesity, Food Justice and the Limits of Capitalism.” “Their reaction is, ‘Let me enjoy what I want to eat, and stop telling me what to do.’ And it’s one of the few things that less well-off people have: they don’t have to cook.”

It’s not just about choice, however, and rational arguments go only so far, because money and access and time and skill are not the only considerations. The ubiquity, convenience and habit-forming appeal of hyperprocessed foods have largely drowned out the alternatives: there are five fast-food restaurants for every supermarket in the United States; in recent decades the adjusted for inflation price of fresh produce has increased by 40 percent while the price of soda and processed food has decreased by as much as 30 percent; and nearly inconceivable resources go into encouraging consumption in restaurants: fast-food companies spent $4.2 billion on marketing in 2009.

Furthermore, the engineering behind hyperprocessed food makes it virtually addictive. A 2009 study by the Scripps Research Institute indicates that overconsumption of fast food “triggers addiction-like neuroaddictive responses” in the brain, making it harder to trigger the release of dopamine. In other words the more fast food we eat, the more we need to give us pleasure; thus the report suggests that the same mechanisms underlie drug addiction and obesity.

This addiction to processed food is the result of decades of vision and hard work by the industry. For 50 years, says David A. Kessler, former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration and author of “The End of Overeating,” companies strove to create food that was “energy-dense, highly stimulating, and went down easy. They put it on every street corner and made it mobile, and they made it socially acceptable to eat anytime and anyplace. They created a food carnival, and that’s where we live. And if you’re used to self-stimulation every 15 minutes, well, you can’t run into the kitchen to satisfy that urge.”

Real cultural changes are needed to turn this around. Somehow, no-nonsense cooking and eating — roasting a chicken, making a grilled cheese sandwich, scrambling an egg, tossing a salad — must become popular again, and valued not just by hipsters in Brooklyn or locavores in Berkeley. The smart campaign is not to get McDonald’s to serve better food but to get people to see cooking as a joy rather than a burden, or at least as part of a normal life.

As with any addictive behavior, this one is most easily countered by educating children about the better way. Children, after all, are born without bad habits. And yet it’s adults who must begin to tear down the food carnival.

The question is how? Efforts are everywhere. The People’s Grocery in Oakland secures affordable groceries for low-income people. Zoning laws in Los Angeles restrict the number of fast-food restaurants in high-obesity neighborhoods. There’s the Healthy Food Financing Initiative, a successful Pennsylvania program to build fresh food outlets in underserved areas, now being expanded nationally. FoodCorps and Cooking Matters teach young people how to farm and cook.

As Malik Yakini, executive director of the Detroit Black Community Food Security Network, says, “We’ve seen minor successes, but the food movement is still at the infant stage, and we need a massive social shift to convince people to consider healthier options.”

HOW do you change a culture? The answers, not surprisingly, are complex. “Once I look at what I’m eating,” says Dr. Kessler, “and realize it’s not food, and I ask ‘what am I doing here?’ that’s the start. It’s not about whether I think it’s good for me, it’s about changing how I feel. And we change how people feel by changing the environment.”

Obviously, in an atmosphere where any regulation is immediately labeled “nanny statism,” changing “the environment” is difficult. But we’ve done this before, with tobacco. The 1998 tobacco settlement limited cigarette marketing and forced manufacturers to finance anti-smoking campaigns — a negotiated change that led to an environmental one that in turn led to a cultural one, after which kids said to their parents, “I wish you didn’t smoke.” Smoking had to be converted from a cool habit into one practiced by pariahs.

A similar victory in the food world is symbolized by the stories parents tell me of their kids booing as they drive by McDonald’s.

To make changes like this more widespread we need action both cultural and political. The cultural lies in celebrating real food; raising our children in homes that don’t program them for fast-produced, eaten-on-the-run, high-calorie, low-nutrition junk; giving them the gift of appreciating the pleasures of nourishing one another and enjoying that nourishment together.

Political action would mean agitating to limit the marketing of junk; forcing its makers to pay the true costs of production; recognizing that advertising for fast food is not the exercise of free speech but behavior manipulation of addictive substances; and making certain that real food is affordable and available to everyone. The political challenge is the more difficult one, but it cannot be ignored.

What’s easier is to cook at every opportunity, to demonstrate to family and neighbors that the real way is the better way. And even the more fun way: kind of like a carnival.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/is-junk-food-really-cheaper.html

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 03:23 pm
Poor people eat fast food as much as they do, because eating this addicting food helps give a temporary fix. They forget their problems and are at the same time giving the kids a treat they cannot otherwise afford. Cooking on the nights out is not an option.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 04:06 pm
@firefly,
I never answered this, firefly, sorry! missed it.
Ok, back to reading your post.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 04:15 pm
@firefly,
Great post.

Me, I'll always remember that magic shop. Dank underbridge area.. magic type toys. (Hmmm, perfect for a movie episode........ )

Even before my adolescence I was not very interested in magic and I - while not being entirely anti fantasy - never get others grab of it. I suppose I'm missing a pellet of brain cells in a precise brain area. Or, maybe I'm fond of reason (short snark - I know some fantasy writers are quite bright).
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 04:18 pm
@firefly,
I'm a penultimate Bittman fan, but don't see his recent columns, now I take it in the Opinion section of the NYT. Thanks for the quote of him. Not that he's perfect, but that I understand him. (Haven't read the quote yet.)
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 04:42 pm
@firefly,
Oh, man - oh, woman - I agree with Bittman on all of that.

Except one thing, the definition of fast food. Fast food is a culture, but good food can be fresh and fast - it just isn't, in any institutional sense. Two or more decades ago I was - yes! - fanaticizing about possibly taking over some old property and making a drive through salad and soup place - those depending on the weather, although back then I didn't know very much about salad like foods in winter (hot potato salad, anyone?). I did know about cold soups. Now I'd add good bread and crackers, including rice crackers. Plus, there are warming appliances. Of course I didn't do it, I'm no entrepreneur much less a venture capitalist. I still think it is a good idea.

Trouble is, it wouldn't be done right - preservatives, yadda yadda.

One of things I've never understood - is why local goodish restaurants in areas with fabulous fresh tomatoes from great gardens - put f'king miserable tomatoes on their burgers. More money to buy those, sure, but there seems no instinct for doing that, and the money per tomato slice is not that much.

It seems like terrific fresh produce and your local market even in relatively swell areas of town are distant relatives. Alas, I can't insist that this is true since I don't check the markets out, or all good restaurants out, but it seems so, all big Ag.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 04:54 pm
@edgarblythe,
Right. But this all develops what I think of as the salty grease followed by sugar continuum - and food is really more interesting than that.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 25 Sep, 2011 04:58 pm
@ossobuco,
I merely mentioned it because you can talk about nutrition til the cows squeeze purple milk and the poor fast food eating public will blow it off. It touches the pleasure center when they do this.
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