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I am (as usual) confused

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 08:55 pm
Quote:
Access to grocers doesn't improve diets, study finds
The results run counter to the idea that more supermarkets can curb obesity in low-income neighborhoods.
July 17, 2011|By Daniela Hernandez, Los Angeles Times

Better access to supermarkets — long touted as a way to curb obesity in low-income neighborhoods — doesn't improve people's diets, according to new research. The study, which tracked thousands of people in several large cities for 15 years, found that people didn't eat more fruits and vegetables when they had supermarkets available in their neighborhoods.

Instead, income — and proximity to fast-food restaurants — were the strongest factors in food choice.

The results throw some cold water on the idea that lack of access to fresh produce and other healthful foods is a major driver in the disproportionate rates of obesity among the poor, or that simply encouraging grocery chains to open in deprived areas will fix the problem, said study lead author Barry Popkin, director of the Nutrition Transition Program at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill.

For one thing, experts said, grocery stores are brimming with choices that are every bit as fattening as fast-food meals. For another, the prices of healthful grocery store foods are often higher than fast-food prices.

"This raises the serious issue of how we get people to eat healthy," Popkin said.

The study, published last week in the Archives of Internal Medicine, looked at more than 5,000 African American and Caucasian men and women in Birmingham, Ala., Chicago, Minneapolis and Oakland between 1985 and 2001. The researchers assessed participants' diets over the years and tracked how far they lived from supermarkets and fast-food restaurants. The study did not measure their weight or body mass index.

As other studies have reported, the researchers found that living near fast-food restaurants was associated with a greater consumption of fast food, especially, in this case, among low-income men. But the scientists also found that easy access to supermarkets was not linked to a greater consumption of healthful foods such as fruits and vegetables, low-fat dairy products, lean meats and whole grains.

Other studies, Popkin said, had found the same thing. In one, the introduction of a large supermarket did not increase fruit and vegetable consumption in a poor community in Scotland; in another, a 2011 survey of Latino immigrant women in New York City found no relationship between supermarket proximity and eating more fruits and vegetables.

"The cheapest calories come from fried foods, chips and sodas," said Dr. Jonathan Fielding, director of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, who wrote a commentary accompanying the report.

The findings are significant because in recent years, policymakers have been pushing for guidelines that limit the number of fast-food restaurants in low-income neighborhoods based on studies reporting lower obesity rates in communities with more supermarkets and fewer fast-food chains.

In 2008, for example, Los Angeles Councilwoman Jan Perry sponsored legislation calling for a moratorium on new fast-food restaurants, and for incentives for opening grocery stores, in South L.A. Though the moratorium has expired, some restrictions on where fast-food restaurants may open are still in place.

"We've had great success in building grocery stores," Perry said. But, she added, selecting healthful foods from a store is up to the individual.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/17/health/la-he-food-deserts-20110712
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 09:08 pm
@firefly,
Aha, the plot thickens then.

Thanks for the article.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 12:01 am
@wayne,
Quote:
Poor people, most often, simply won't put the effort into cooking decent food.
It's easier to go to Mcdonalds, or order a pizza.
It is far cheaper to cook a decent meal at home than it is to eat junk.


Sometimes it's not that they can't be bothered, it's because they simply don't have the (food buying & cooking) skills, for one reason or another. And that's not just "poor people", either.
Years & years of eating out & takeaway food has meant that many people have simply not acquired the habit of cooking ... also in some households where both parents need (or choose) work, often they are time poor. It seems that many are simply too tired, unmotivated , or simply lack the know how t0 provide inexpensive, nutritions, home-cooked food. Which, really is so easy once you've got the hang of it!

A friend of mine who teaches food & nutrition at a secondary school in a "melting pot" area of Melbourne, full of not-too-well-off newly-arrived migrants & refugees, says her students are really excited about cooking classes, learning new recipes, etc. Their parents (who often work long hours to make ends meet, or are single parents as a result of war, famine, etc) are the recipients of their kids' education. The students report cooking up the same meals at home that they learned at school for their families. And are very proud of themselves when their families respond enthusiastically to their efforts. There are some students who have taken over the role of meal providers in their homes & take the responsibility very seriously, including responsibility for buying the food as well as cooking it.

Anyway, it seems to me that education is the key to changing entrenched unhealthy eating habits ... whether that means educating adults or children, who then educate their families. I like that notion a lot!

Recently there has been quite a "kitchen garden" movement in a number of schools here. Children grow vegetables, etc, then learn how to cook them in their food classes. Here's just one example:
http://www.stephaniealexander.com.au/garden.htm

Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 02:02 pm
@roger,
Knowtchamean, Rog'. Here in Hawaii I see quite an alarming amount of obesity but, as you observed, not so much in the school-yard. I think all those fat kids are school drop-outs. The smart kids both stay in school and eat smart. I have this visceral feeling, also, that -- like so many other things in this country nowadays -- the obesity problem might be somewaht exaggerated. It's a serious problem, I'm sure. But isn't epidemic really too strong a word?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 02:07 pm
@msolga,
I agree that's really important, MsO.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 02:32 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
I've got a real thing about word inflation, lately. To my old fashioned way of thinging, a Weapon of Mass Destruction has to be either chemical, biological, or nuclear warfare agents. Now, we're seeing the term applied to a sack of fertilizer in Times Square. Next thing you know, anything more sophisticated that a single shot muzzle loader will be reported as a WMD. Likewise, I recently noted someone's use of the word Terrorists applied to a faction involved in the debt ceiling dispute.
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BDV
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 07:09 pm
the kids i went to school with in the 70's, (who we called fat!!) are now the thin people at school!!! that speaks for itself............
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 07:52 pm
@ossobuco,
Me too, osso. (obviously)

Without being offensive (I hope) some people are just plain lost & ignorant about how easy it actually is to create good, delicious food for themselves & their families. While saving themselves heaps of money at the same time.

I love the idea of kids teaching their parents how to do it! Smile
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 08:12 pm
@msolga,
Alice Waters started it on this side of the ponds, as she had chef creds. Or at least started it in the press, as she had many predecessors; she is the one that acted.

But, in a way, her creds are stoppers, spoiled and snotty, or so assumed. I've land arch friends over decades teaching kids re gardens, some lot of them as volunteers. That's where I got my first clue about potato cabbage sausage soup, after we visited Scott Wilson's school help efforts, in the early eighties; I think he was an official teacher of something, but spent countless hours teaching about planting. Anyway, he took us to his home where his wife had made the good soup and we all talked. I've forever been trying to reproduce it.

I fully agree that transmission of knowledge is vital. I'm fine with with cultures.
I'm pretty desultory about the McD culture.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 08:24 pm
@ossobuco,
I also really admire the excellent work that Jamie Oliver has done (in his rather hyperactive way! Wink ) in attempting to change peoples' eating habits for the better.
He's gotten into home gardening, changing school dinners in the UK, & so much more. I really like his down to earth approach. I doubt anyone who pontificates & patronizes people from a lofty height is going to have much impact at all.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 08:27 pm
@ossobuco,
My earlier point, though, is that there was no way if you lived in south LA where my husband did as a kid all the way through university and beyond, even if you were very odd and read newspaper clippings (he did not, he only cooked in self defense), all pre internet, that you could access ingredients or instruction. (to explain a bit, he and bro both got full scholarships).

His mother, bless her soul, was the worst cook I've ever run across.
She had a goodly recipe clip collection. I don't mean to make fun of her. She had aspiration and no availability. I've made fun of her before here on a2k, re the jello concoctions.

I'm sorry for that making fun.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 08:30 pm
@msolga,
Oliver is problematic in LA. I've no present pov on it. Sounds like lecture to (us) who deal with this.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 08:45 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
My earlier point, though, is that there was no way if you lived in south LA where my husband did as a kid, even if you were very odd and read newspaper clippings (he did not, he only cooked in self defense), all pre internet, that you could access ingredients or instruction. (to explain a bit, they both got full scholarships).

I understand what you're saying, osso.
And of course there are people who will never change entrenched life-long ways of doing things.

But when I argue that education is the way to go, "education" doesn't necessarily just occur as a result of reading, newspaper articles, or anything too formal or stuffy ...

For example, in Oz there's television program called Master Chef, which is broadcast on a commercial network. Very competitive & probably considered as much entertainment as anything else to much its audience. (Basically a group folk compete against each other to win a lucrative prize based on their cooking abilities.)
It has a huge following & appears to have gotten lots of people back into their kitchens again, experimenting with dishes they've seen prepared on the program.
Who would have thought, say 10 years ago, that a cooking show would be a huge ratings winner?
But it has.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 08:47 pm
@msolga,
No argument re that - I'm all for not only education as such, which often carries Learn This Now weight, but regular old experience by introduction to it.

ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 08:57 pm
@ossobuco,
I first learned about cooking in Girl Scouts.

We made popovers.
We made pralines.

I've never done either of them since, and those are obviously from the cooking teacher's repetoire. But it got us used to the idea of being in a kitchen doing stuff.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 08:57 pm
@ossobuco,
The thing is, being in girl scouts is also a luxury.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:08 pm
@ossobuco,
I was a girl scout.
I lasted about 2 weeks.
I learned to tie some knots, though.
Nothing at all about cooking anything.
That might have been useful.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:16 pm
@msolga,
I remember poring over the handbook trying to figure out how to attain a badge. I was willing, back then, but saw it all as impossible. I have a friend whose husband was an eagle scout. She is also a serious rule follower.

Well, anyway, back to food, the good part is that the mother who hosted the then scouts had us all hands on in the kitchen. A good thing.

Maybe we need a pizza corps...


(I don't think pizza is evil. Thin roman pizza with good ingredients is not bad for you.)
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:16 pm
@msolga,
you were gonna be a sailor scout?
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:19 pm
@Rockhead,
Nah. Smile
But for some mysterious reason learning to tie heaps of different knots was considered really essential.

 

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