"Step away from the candy and come with me, kid"

I agree with Pdog's well elaborated point. I agree with yours too, re report laws,
at the same time I see them adding this as starting up
a new kind of riot act based on misunderstood misinformation misplaced.

There is such a thing as child abuse, and some levels of non care arrive at that.

tsarstepan wrote:
Vegans are the MOST EVIL OF ALL! A vegan-> <-a vegan!How do you feel about fruitarians? They mostly only eat fruit that's already dropped from the tree (no pain) and avoid veggies altogether

She ... spends a good amount of time... working with whales.

She ... spends a good amount of time... working with whales.

I've worked with some right fat bastards as well.

Thomas wrote:

So much for the allegation that 18th century Englishmen were incapable of seeing the injustice of slavery.

In the 17OOs and the 18OOs, both sides of the issue were debated with passion.

...And the American founding fathers came down on the side of permitting slavery in their new country, whereas the English had come down on the side of abolishing it in theirs. ...

Thomas wrote:

...And the American founding fathers came down on the side of permitting slavery in their new country, whereas the English had come down on the side of abolishing it in theirs. ...

The Act of Parliament abolishing slavery was passed in 1833 - not before 1776 as you imply - and even that 1833 Act excluded parts of the British Empire.

Thomas wrote:

So much for the allegation that 18th century Englishmen were incapable of seeing the injustice of slavery.

In the 17OOs and the 18OOs, both sides of the issue were debated with passion.

True. And the American founding fathers came down on the side of permitting slavery in their new country,
whereas the English had come down on the side of abolishing it in theirs.

So which country was on the side of individual freedom and which wasn't?

Thomas wrote:

So which country was on the side of individual freedom and which wasn't?

Obviously, from the perspective of the blacks, thay got freedom sooner from the English, by about 32 years.

Thomas wrote:

So which country was on the side of individual freedom and which wasn't?

Obviously, from the perspective of the blacks, thay got freedom sooner from the English, by about 32 years.

And on balance, what do you think is the graver offense against liberty:
a tax increase for all taxpayers plus a lack of representation for propertied men, or 32 years of slavery for poor farm laborers?

Freedom is good.

Well what about Freegans - they eat all types of food, but only those that have been thrown away by some one else.

Actually, no, quite the opposite she is very even tempered. She is a marine biologist and spends a good amount of time saving whales and working with whales. She said to me that whenever she had eaten meat, she would envision the animal it came from and it made her feel ill. She used to eat just fish after that, but then began feeling she couldn't eat fish as she worked so much with marine life.

On balance, then, if you could go back to 1776 with enough machine guns to change the balance, would you fight on the side of the rebels or the loyalists?

I would take the loyalists' side in a heartbeat. I relish the thought that all of North America could be united today, under a political system similar to Canada's. The benefit of abolishing slavery decades earlier would be well worth a few tax increases to me. And if our favorite team today was called "The New York Tories", and if it played cricket rather than baseball---so what?