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Tick, tick. August 2nd is the Debt Limit Armageddon. Or Not.

 
 
JPB
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 12:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It only takes a one page document to satisfy the markets and the creditors.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 01:08 pm
@JPB,
"We" all know that, but congress seems clueless.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 03:30 pm
Quote:
The Senate's top Democrat said Sunday that he has signed onto a debt ceiling deal with President Barack Obama and Republican leaders, pending approval of his caucus.
The statement from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, was the first confirmation of a pending deal after legislative leaders dropped hints all day that an agreement was close.
"Senator Reid has signed off on the debt-ceiling agreement pending caucus approval," said the statement his office issued.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/31/debt.talks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I wonder how Reid feels about being marginalized...
JPB
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 03:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
Beohner has supposedly just pulled the plug due to defense cuts being too high in first year.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 03:42 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Beohner has supposedly just pulled the plug due to defense cuts being too high in first year.
Defense is the big thing here, the dems want to use the thread of massive defense cuts to get the REPUBS to agree to tax increases down the road. One thing to consider is that these threatened defense cuts are so huge that they are arguably irresponsible, so DEMS might have a problem looking like adults when they are pressing so hard for them. With defense you very quickly get into the problem we had with Obama ending the NASA program that Bush had started, which is that due to contracts it costs a lot of money to change course on a dime, and we get nothing for our money. Killing Constellation was expected to cost $2.5 billion in termination fees.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 03:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
Where were the GOPs when they signed on to a war in 2003 that cost us 3/4 BILLION a DAY.?
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:35 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Beohner has supposedly just pulled the plug due to defense cuts being too high in first year.


Well now, that's just awesome. Who was it that was looking for cuts in the first place, and is there supposed to be some advantage to maintaining the defense budget when it can't be paid for?

I'm hoping for some clarification in the near future.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:36 pm
Rank and file congresspeople claim that they don't like the idea that deals are being cut by a few leaders at the top.
But Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) notes:
"Sausage making isn't pretty but the sausage we have is a very different sausage from when we started."
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:37 pm
World warns of disaster if no debt deal done in time

Quote:
LONDON/TOKYO, Jul - Governments and policy makers around the world warned of the risk of financial disaster if Washington fails to raise the U.S. debt ceiling.

As Congress haggled over a deal to stave off the risk of an unprecedented U.S. default, British and Japanese officials on Sunday said failure could hurt households across the globe.

"The world is watching the United States with trepidation, with anxiety, with concern, but also with hope," International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde told CNN.

"Instability is never a good idea, never a good idea. And this level of uncertainty, the trepidation arising from August 2, is bringing about a lot of instability," she added.

U.S. Democrats and Republicans face a Tuesday deadline to reach agreement. The U.S. Treasury has said it will run out of borrowing room on that day although analysts say it may have enough cash to keep servicing its debt and paying its bills through the middle of this month.

The German central bank expressed confidence the United States would avert a debt default.

The key role of the U.S. dollar in global banking and trading means financial markets face the risk of major instability without an 11th-hour agreement.

Senate Leader Harry Reid said he hoped to hold a Senate vote later on Sunday on an emerging deal to raise the debt ceiling, raising hopes the impasse could be broken.

As financial markets opened up for the week in Asia, investors took some relief from the signs of progress and the U.S. dollar strengthened against the Japanese yen, after falling to a four month low on Friday.

"If they get this one wrong and there's a default -- we don't expect that, we think that they will sort this out -- but if that were to happen, it has consequences for every family and every business in this country and all across the world," said Danny Alexander, Chief Secretary to the British Treasury.

"I think in the end the politicians on Capitol Hill can see that the precipice they are looking over is one that they are going to step back from," he told BBC television.

In Tokyo, sources familiar with Japan's international and monetary affairs, also speaking earlier on Sunday, said they were increasingly concerned that markets might be too hopeful about prospects for a lasting solution to the crisis.

Japanese officials still hope Washington can strike a deal and if that proves impossible, will give priority to interest payments to international holders of U.S. Treasury debt to limit the immediate market impact, the sources said.

But Tokyo's concern is that if the crisis drags on without a clear and long-term solution, markets may be thrown into turmoil in the same way that they suffered when U.S. investment bank Lehman Brothers collapsed in September 2008.

"If there is a default, the impact on global markets will be huge," said one of the sources, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter.

Another Japanese source said, "Nobody thought Washington would let Lehman collapse. But look what happened."

The German central bank said it was monitoring the situation. "Should there really not be a solution, the question arises: what happens then," a German central bank spokesman said. "But I expect ... there will be a solution in the United States either today or in the coming days."

CHINA

China, which owns well over $1 trillion in U.S. Treasury bonds, has expressed alarm. On Saturday the official People's Daily newspaper, the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, castigated the U.S. handling of the debt crisis as "irresponsible" and "immoral."

It said the U.S. democratic system was to blame for the "farce," claiming that "not a single representative has considered the world, and even U.S. national interests are being banished from the mind.

On Friday a senior economic policymaker in the euro zone, who declined to be named, expressed surprise and anger that U.S. politicians were "playing chicken" with an issue of such importance for the global economy.

Euro zone leaders are struggling to control sovereign debt crises in several countries in their region, a task complicated by the U.S. debt problem which has added to upward pressure on the yields of government bonds in those weak states.

Central banks around the world are expected to stand ready to provide emergency supplies of money to commercial banks in case the banks become too nervous to lend to each other.

Japan's first defense will be to ensure that Japanese financial institutions have a sufficient supply of dollars, the sources in Tokyo indicated.

The Bank of Japan believes Japanese commercial banks have sufficient dollar cushions but will use its dollar swap arrangement with other central banks to prevent a dollar squeeze in case of market turmoil.

In June, the U.S. Federal Reserve extended liquidity swap arrangement with other big central banks until August 1, 2012.

The Japanese central bank is also prepared to flood markets with yen through its open market operations in case interbank borrowing costs spike, BOJ officials say.

In Europe, there were minor signs of strain in the money markets last week with some banks becoming unable to take out longer-term dollar loans, but the effect was small since banks still expected Washington would reach a deal.

The European Central Bank already offers unlimited euro loans to banks in some of its money market operations as part of its response to past crises, and it could use that policy to cope with any market problems this week.

A spokesman for the Swiss central bank said, "The Swiss National Bank is ready to react appropriately at any time to market disruptions." Source
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:40 pm
@roger,
Well... I could reiterate my bus theory.

Quote:
@ChadPergram: Pelosi now speaking in Rayburn Room. McConnell in Boehner's office 18 minutes ago ·
JPB
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:41 pm
@JPB,
Quote:
ChadPergram Pelosi on if D's will support the "deal": I haven't seen in writing the final product. The details are important. 11 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
ChadPergram profile

ChadPergram Pelosi on the "deal": We all may not be able to support it. And maybe none of us will be able to support it." Says the caucus will meet Mon
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:45 pm
@roger,
They're the ones claiming that Obama hasn't "written anything down." Kind of like saying, everything the GOP-tea partiers promised were all written on paper to offer the other side of the aisle their "compromises." yea.

Did I say "compromises?" What am I saying?
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 04:59 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

JPB wrote:

Beohner has supposedly just pulled the plug due to defense cuts being too high in first year.


Well now, that's just awesome. Who was it that was looking for cuts in the first place, and is there supposed to be some advantage to maintaining the defense budget when it can't be paid for?

I'm hoping for some clarification in the near future.


Here you go...
Quote:
Two congressional aides said Boehner is holding out to reduce roughly $350 billion in cuts to defense spending that would be part of an initial $900 billion in deficit cuts tied to a debt ceiling increase of a similar amount. Boehner also is refusing to agree to an even split between cuts to defense and other spending that would be triggered if Congress failed to enact a deficit reduction plan produced by a special congressional committee or doesn't pass a balanced budget amendment, the aides said. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has left negotiations on defense spending to Boehner, staffers in both parties said. A Democratic congressional aide said McConnell had also signed off on the deal. McConnell spokesman Don Stewart would not confirm the senator had agreed. National Journal
JPB
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 05:04 pm
Quote:
ChadPergram For Boehner to have majority of the majority, he can only lose 119 GOPers. If 216 is the magic #, R's need 97 D's to help. Very TALL order. 3 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 05:09 pm
@JPB,
Looks like he's holding out for what he knows he isn't going to get. I don't understand the point of the game, but this looks like a gambit that should have been played out a couple of weeks ago - not on July 31.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 05:18 pm
@roger,
Meanwhile, there are folks on both sides-mostly from the center- demanding to know in advance of the vote who will be on the "special committee" that will come up with future spending cuts/tax increases as part of this deal: 3 Repubs and 3 Dems from the House and from the Senate.
They seem to fear that the committee will be instructed that certain things, like tax increases, defense and medicare will be off the table for review.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 05:23 pm
@roger,
Since it is a gambit, they may not reach any agreement. Boy Scout motto; always be prepared.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 06:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I don't see anything in this latest effort that we haven't seen before. Reid and McConnell think that they may be able to get votes of support from their weary troops who would much rather debate whether or not to change the name on a local post office.
I think that the three or four leaders at the top may come to a deal and will tell their warriors to all get in line before Tuesday. I suspect, but am not at all sure, that that will happen.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 07:03 pm
Quote:
The New York Times
July 31, 2011
Leaders Reach Deal to Raise Debt Ceiling
By CARL HULSE and JENNIFER STEINHAUER

WASHINGTON – Congressional leaders of both parties and President Obama said they have agreed to a framework for a fiscal deal that they will present to their caucuses Monday morning, moving Congress closer to taking up a measure that could pass both the House and Senate with bipartisan support and be signed by President Obama, averting a fiscal calamity.

The two Senate leaders, Harry Reid of Nevada and Mitch McConnell on Kentucky, announced the agreement on the Senate floor and President Obama a few moments later. He indicated he would support it, although it was not his preferred approach.

“It will allow us to avoid default,” he said.

All afternoon, after Senate Republicans, as expected, blocked progress on a Democratic plan, Senate Democrats and House Republicans had worked feverishly with White House officials Sunday to iron out the final components of a deal to avoid imminent default, negotiating the design of a mechanism that, after an initial round of spending cuts and debt relief this year, would help force the hand of Congress when the time comes for a second round next year.

There seemed to be broad agreement that any deal reached would include at least $2.5 trillion in spending cuts over the next 10 years, of which $1.2 trillion would be approved now. But there was intense jockeying over the terms governing the next steps, including the work of a new bipartisan Congressional committee whose members would be charged with finding more deficit reductions in time for a second increase in the debt ceiling in just a few months.

Failure by that committee would trigger automatic cuts in programs beloved by Democrats and Republicans, respectively, unless Congress later this year passed a Constitutional amendment requiring balanced budgets.

Strong balance-the-budget language has been the linchpin of support for any new fiscal plan among many House Republicans, who forced their leaders to include it last week in a bill to raise the debt ceiling, but it is anathema to many Democrats in the Senate, and in any event requires two-thirds approval in each house to take effect.

The negotiators appeared to be having a hard time defining what kind of cuts would occur at the end of the year 2012 if Congress failed to act on the committee’s recommendations.

Under the framework that negotiators were discussing today, half of those cuts would come in defense spending, while the other half would be a combination of other domestic spending, like discretionary programs and farm subsidies. Cuts to Medicare would not make up more than 3 percent of the non-military cuts. While many Republicans are loath to risk such cuts to defense, some of the more Tea Party-influenced freshmen members are less concerned with that than with getting big spending cuts overall while avoiding tax increases at all costs.

And negotiators agreed that any deal would not include language that could lead to a new formula for the annual cost-of-living adjustments for Social Security beneficiaries, a change that could save more than $100 billion in the first 10 years. While many economists have long said the existing formula overstates inflation, many Democrats oppose any change that would reduce benefits from current law. Dropping the proposal from the White House-Congressional talks reflected in part the influence of Representative Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic minority leader, whose negotiating hand has been strengthened, since she will have to deliver a significant number of Democrats votes for House passage of any solution, given the likelihood that Mr. Boehner will face a significant loss of Republican votes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/01/us/politics/01FISCAL.html?hp

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2011 07:27 pm
@firefly,
Do we cross our fingers now? Evil or Very Mad
 

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