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Tick, tick. August 2nd is the Debt Limit Armageddon. Or Not.

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 01:44 pm
@joefromchicago,
I guess it's worth pointing out that these 'extremist' Democrats sure seem willing to make a deal -

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/pelosi-outlines-revenue-free-path-forward-on-debt-limit-fight.php?ref=fpblg

Just no possible comparison to the other side's intransigence and stupidity, and attempts to do so are completely without merit.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 01:47 pm
@sozobe,
soz, This topic is about the debt ceiling. If you wish to talk about another issue, start a new thread.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 01:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This is almost too funny! From the NYT.

Quote:
Debt Ceiling Uncertainty Puts States at Risk
By MICHAEL COOPER
Published: July 21, 2011

The federal debt ceiling debate is already complicating life for state and local governments.

Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia wrote to President Obama and members of Congress urging them to raise the debt limit.

Maryland is postponing a bond sale that had been scheduled for Friday, after the state was warned that its credit rating would probably be lowered in the event of a federal downgrade. California, which typically issues short-term bonds at this time of year, is working to arrange bank loans instead, citing the market uncertainty. And state officials across the nation are trying to figure out what will happen to the federal payments they rely on for everything from Medicaid to unemployment to highway construction if a deal is not reached to raise the debt ceiling by the Aug. 2 deadline.

States whose economies rely on the federal government — including Maryland and Virginia, home to many federal employees and contractors — are at the greatest risk if there is no agreement and Washington has to decide which payments to make and which to skip. They were among the states warned by Moody’s Investors Service this week that their credit ratings were being jeopardized by Washington — which would make it more expensive for them to borrow for costs like construction, through no fault of their own.

“For nearly 75 years we have worked hard to earn the highest credit ratings from all three rating agencies,” Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia, a Republican, wrote this week to President Obama and members of Congress, urging them to raise the debt limit. “Now your failure to get the job done is hurting the businesses and citizens of our commonwealth.”


Who does the gov believe is holding up approving the increase in the debt ceiling? For his info, it's the tea party mavericks.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:08 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
It looks like everyone is trying to soften their stance at least somewhat.

Quote:
Boehner insisted to his GOP colleagues Friday morning that discretionary spending totals for the government get locked into place - Republicans want them capped - so Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers (R-Ky.) can work to fund the government for fiscal 2012, which begins Oct. 1.

But just two days after the House passed the sweeping “Cut, Cap and Balance” deficit plan, Boehner seems to be lowering expectations. Boehner said that if they took “a big step in the right direction,” they’ll still be “here in 2013” a sign that Republicans are confident they’ll keep the House in next year’s elections.

Taxes, of course, remain a sticking point, and many rank and file Republicans are nervous about the prospects of any new tax revenues being part of a deal. Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.), in the Friday meeting asked Boehner if new tax revenue is off the table.

Boehner said “it depends how you look at it,” adding tax reform is crucial.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59653.html#ixzz1SrnB3ZBa


I've got house guests this weekend and will be away much of the time. I'll try to peek in as I can and keep up with what's new.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:17 pm
@JPB,
Gold is still over $1600, betwween the advertised long term rescue plan for Greece which is really a default and the advertised progress in Washington which is really the clock continuing to tick down to financial armageddon.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:18 pm
@hawkeye10,
Take your analysis to the next steps, and tell us what you "see?" Especially on gold prices - and everything else.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Take your analysis to the next steps, and tell us what you "see?" Especially on gold prices - and everything else.
I have said many time we are going to Depression, the only question is what will be the trigger. The Great Recession was our warning, but we blew it off. History will I think say that the depression started Sep 08 with the melt-down of the Wall Street banks. For many people this already feels like a depression no matter what the numbers say....the numbers dont paint the picture because of class stratification, the wealthy are still fine. But no one believes in this economy or this political system, which makes depression unavoidable.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
Okay, if we're headed into a depression, what will happen to the price of gold and "everything else?"
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Soz is no more off topic than you and Hawk, with your discussions of gold prices. She can post whatever she wants.

Not that I feel obliged to agree with either of you.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:45 pm
@roger,
Quote:
Soz is no more off topic than you and Hawk, with your discussions of gold prices
You could not be more on topic than to talk about gold prices...the price of gold shows us what those with the money see on the DoomsDay clock.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:11 pm
@roger,
roger, The price of gold has many things to do with our economy, because it's about inflation and the impact of prices based on this topic; debt limit.

Where did you learn economics?
roger
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Do you realize that over half your posts question someone else's intelligence and education? Furthermore, you think your petty little insults are somehow intelligent responses to the comments others have made. In fact, they do nothing but hide your own incompetence. We are on to you. If you had something useful to say, you would have already said it.

You two can't even do a plausible rationalization, and neither of you is going to limit someone else's posts.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:33 pm
@roger,
That's how it ends up when you refute opinions that are without much basis.

Garden variety refutations are boring without so much as why the opinions claimed are wrong.

It ends up having to do with knowledge about the subject matter under discussion.

Rationalization is in the mind of the reader; not your ridiculous claims of "incompetence." Argue the subject, not the messenger. If you don't understand economics, don't argue a point you know nothing about.

Challenge what I say.

I wrote,
Quote:
roger, The price of gold has many things to do with our economy, because it's about inflation and the impact of prices based on this topic; debt limit.


Tell me how my opinion is wrong?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:34 pm
@roger,
Quote:
You two can't even do a plausible rationalization, and neither of you is going to limit someone else's posts.


Who is supposed to be #2??
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
BTW, roger, nobody said anything the freedom to post on a2k. Nobody restricts what people want to post unless it's against the bylaws of the site.

I agree or disagree with what you post depending on its own merits, and I usually spell out why.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawk, You're always #2; didn't you know? LOL
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:48 pm
Obama is a huge steaming pile of #2... change you can step in Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 03:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
roger, Here's an Econ 101 lesson for you. People speculate on gold as a hedge against inflation. They also compare the "returns" on investments between commodities and stocks. It has everything to do with the fear of not raising the debt ceiling, because it will impact the cost of "everything" if it is not approved. As the title of this thread suggests, it can be an "armageddon." Do you understand the meaning?

I have a question for you, roger. What do you think will happen to prices if the debt ceiling is not approved?
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 04:29 pm
6:05 pm ET.
The NYTimes reports that John Boehner has pulled out of discussions with Obama over any debt ceiling increase.
roger
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 04:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

BTW, roger, nobody said anything the freedom to post on a2k. Nobody restricts what people want to post unless it's against the bylaws of the site.

I agree or disagree with what you post depending on its own merits, and I usually spell out why.


cicerone imposter wrote:

soz, This topic is about the debt ceiling. If you wish to talk about another issue, start a new thread.
 

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