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What did you think of Donald Trump's Apprentice show?

 
 
caprice
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 08:01 pm
quinn1 wrote:
true..but, where would I find true entertainment value at the expense of others?


*LOL* Well in that case, you're missing out! Wink


quinn1 wrote:
BTW...the teams mix up next go round so...we can watch the women in a group crash and burn but, I think they'll be more easily picked off when dissarranged.


Oh my. I wonder who will go where?

I hate to betray my own gender, but I've found quite often that when you have a group of women working together you quite often get gossiping, back stabbing and just all out b*tchiness. Not always, but I've seen it a lot. And I've seen it on this show too. Of course the downside with working amongst mostly men is their rather piggish behaviour. Very Happy

Just generalizing here. Wink
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quinn1
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 08:07 pm
I would work with and for a man any day of the week if given the choice.....I agree, in general most women are gossipy, lazy, back stabbing, hell on wheels, moody, and right out rude and obnoxious...you would think it was some pajama party actually its business and they dont get it. Men get it. Well, yeah, mostly...although i havent had to deal with piggish behaviour myself really...more like ego and idiocy but, you know..that means a great deal more in the whole realm of it all.

Yes, certainly generalizing.

Smile
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caprice
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 08:10 pm
The uh, piggish behaviour I witnessed was not within an office setting. Maybe wearing a suit helps? *LOL*
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quinn1
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 08:11 pm
Oh well, you know..outside the office setting..Ive had men (boys really) use LOVELY language....and my suit didnt help Wink
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caprice
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2004 09:23 pm
*LOL*
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2004 01:11 pm
It's "How to Suceed in Business Without Really Trying" with no musical score.

I doubt that anyone in the group could head up a company of any size and if they do, it's an endorsement of the Peter Principal.
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caprice
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2004 01:42 pm
Not being in the business world myself, what the heck is the Peter Principal?

And I agree with you btw. After watching 4 episodes (or is it 5?) of this show, I'm convinced their job titles are created by the producers to make them sound more impressive than they really are.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2004 12:10 am
Who are the competitors?
Here's a list of all 16 finalists:

Heid Bressler, 30, a sales rep from Philadelphia

Katrina Campins, 24, a realtor from Miami

Jessie Connors, 21, a business owner from New Richmond, Wisc.

Jason Curis, 24, a property owner from Detroit

*** Kristi Frank, 30, a restaurant and property owner from Bel Air

David Gould, 31, a venture capitalist from New York

Amelia Henry, 30, a dot.com-er from Austin, Tex.

Bowie Hogg, 25, a motivational speaker from Dallas

Kwame Jackson, 29, an investment manager from New York

Tammy Lee, 36, a stockbroker from Seattle

Omarosa Manigault-Stallworth, 29, a doctoral student from Washington, D.C.

Troy McClain, 32, a mortgage lender from Boise, Idaho

Bill Rancic, 32, founder of cigarsaroundtheworld.com from Chicago

Sam Solovey, 27, a sales and business development overseer from Chevy Chase, Mary.

Ereka Ventrini, 27, a marketing manager from New York

Nick Warnock, 27, a Xerox salesman from Los Angeles

***Re Kristi Frank, the more pruriently inclined can see a lot more of her in "Swimming Naked," an installment of Zalman King's popular erotica series "Red Shoe Diaries."

NBC publicity describes Frank as the 30-year-old owner of two residential properties on the beach in Santa Monica, CA and the co-owner of the trendy eatery Juliano's RAW. Her past as a Lake Tahoe blackjack dealer is discussed, but her soft-porn acting career is absent.

Those who tuned in to the "Apprentice" premiere saw Kristi lead the cadre of women to a lemonade stand victory over the man. The women, including Kristi, were quick to use their sexuality as a marketing ploy. The show's star, Donald Trump, was impressed and gave all of them a non-euphemistic tour of his swank apartment.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2004 01:34 am
caprice wrote:
Not being in the business world myself, what the heck is the Peter Principal?


Quote:
The Peter Principle is a theory originated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter which states that employees within a hierarchical organization advance to their highest level of competence, are then promoted to a level where they are incompetent, and then stay in that position.

This follows from the use of promotion as a reward for success. As long as a person is competent in his current position, he will be promoted to the next higher one. By iteration, the only way a person can stop being promoted is to reach a level where he is no longer able to do well, and thus does not appear eligible for promotion.

The theory was set out in a humorous style in the book The Peter Principle, first published in 1969.


link to read more
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2004 02:05 pm
Thanks, PDiddie, for that quite detailed analysis of The Peter Principal -- in brief I've always heard it described as the more inept one is, the higher up they get in a company. Same goes for politics.
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caprice
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2004 02:37 pm
I echo Lightwizard's sentiments. I know I've encountered a few duds that were higher up the career ladder than I was and it made me wonder how such an incompetent got there in the first place.

But I do thank you for your definition PDiddie Smile
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2004 02:45 pm
The idea of The Peter Principal is really to get those out of jobs where they actually have to do something and into positions where they can sit around on their hands and do the least damage. While this seems like highly imaginative satirical humor, it actually does work in practice considering those that do the promoting are at the top of the ladder and they got there for the same reasons. The worst positions in a company are in middle management where one is held accountable from below and above.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 05:03 pm
I managed to miss last night's show, but I seem to get more, especially schadenfreude, out of reading the synopsis in USA Today:

Quote:
Donald Trump fired his fifth victim Thursday night on the reality TV show The Apprentice, and for the first time it was a woman: Kristi Frank of Bel Air, Calif.

After four consecutive wins by the women's team, Trump began the show with what he called a corporate reshuffle, an admission that the men have no chance on their own. That left each team with four women and two men.

Trump had the teams divide playground style with two captains taking turns picking who they believed to be the strongest players. Anyone who has ever hated gym class can sympathize with Omarosa Manigault-Stallworth of Washington, D.C., picked last.

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In an interview with USA TODAY Thursday, Trump said Frank was afraid to make enemies. "There's nothing wrong with having enemies," he says.

Trump rewarded the winning team with a meeting with Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, a man who can relate to The Apprentice. He has gone through 21 managers and 15 general managers in 30 years. Which segues into one of the most pressing business issues of the day: When is it time to fire the CEO?

In past weeks, many on USA TODAY's panel of CEOs, entrepreneurs and leadership experts have criticized Trump for:

• Taking too long to fire Sam Solovey, who tried to sell a glass of lemonade for $1,000, took a nap on the job and was regularly derided by teammates for his work ethic. Trump said he saw a spark of genius in Solovey and waited until the end of Episode 3 to let him go.

• Being overly accepting of the women relying on sex appeal to sell lemonade and liquor, negotiate prices and to develop an ad campaign for Marquis Jet. They've used everything short of wardrobe malfunction, and Trump accepted it as a fair use of God-given assets.

• Being accepting of other ethical flirtations, such as when the men had Kwame Jackson autograph balls as if he were a celebrity.

• Devising business scenarios that focus on marketing and do little to determine other business and leadership skills.

• Making the original teams men vs. women, which does not reflect the real world.

Trump says the panel can't fire him, not with The Apprentice pulling in 19 million viewers.

Still, 38% of 152 senior executives surveyed by the Christian & Timbers executive recruiting firm disagree and say Trump deserves to get the ax.


Fire Donald Trump? Shocked Doesn't he own the company?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 05:12 pm
Donald's made his share of drastic mistakes in evidence of his own business history. It bears out the truth that many people are hired on intuition -- nobody really knows what true merit the employee has until they have worked for them for at least a year. Even a promoter or salesperson can start off in a crescendo and end up a fizzled firecracker. It goes with the old saying (and Donald has pointedly put the accent on sales and making money) that, "You're only as good as your last sale." Donald has made himself King of his corporate structure -- it would be very near impossible to oust him but it can be done (at a stockholders meeting). It would be a grand coup d'etat indeed!

They could say they are letting him go because he spent too much time on this program!
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 05:13 pm
(They would actually have to try and buy him out and if you look at the corporate structure of Trump and Co., it's more likely that we will find life on Mars).
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 05:21 pm
Yes, I thought his was a private company, not a public one, Light, which would leave board ouster or buyout the most likely (and yet still extremely remote) possibility. Besides, his companies are allegedly doing pretty well these days, most of them being operations with highly-appreciated real estate assets, so there's no reason to expect his board would want him out.

I think it might be a big old vineyard of sour grapes being mashed by the people on USA Today's panel. You think? :wink:
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 05:37 pm
Sounds like it -- you don't suppose the execs at Gallo Vineyards gave him the worst rating?

Of course, the ability to judge people and there's no getting around it that a personal judgement includes a hiring executives reading of someone's personality just as much as their skills and credentials, it's the results that count. This isn't just hiring just any employee, it's hiring someone to head up an entity. Now what is Trump's smallest enterprise? Or will he create one for the individual to run? How long will they last? I still don't see strong leadership qualities in any of them but they could be groomed to be a little Trump robot, much like most managerial postions. I do think he is mixing in enough of a semblance of a democratic process to make it look good but ultimately corporations are run like a communist state. Anyone detect the element of "quota" masquerading as "accountability?"
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quinn1
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2004 11:49 am
I was so disappointed last night when Amarosa didnt get canned.
It was right however to get rid of the other one, that poor gal just didnt stand up for herself...or be very honest and upfront when you really think about it. I wouldnt have had a problem telling Trump that personally I dont like the woman, and professionally shes good, but she aint great.
I think Amarosa will go eventually anyway.
Eh...ah well.
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Heeven
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2004 01:11 pm
Having seen a preview of the show and hearing Trump saying "You are rude" in the boardroom, I thought that Versacorp would be the losing team and TAMMY would be the one fired. She was dreadful to all the celebrities and I was hoping her team would lose just so she would have to explain her rudeness to Trump. She was extremely unprofessional and made Regis Philbin annoyed and frustrated Carson Daly. I thought her manner was disgraceful.
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husker
 
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Reply Fri 13 Feb, 2004 02:28 pm
Heeven - right !

I did like the other team work on the Sales approach - I could relate! Damn these folks are starting to think like me Wink
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