bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Even Forbes, the big commie hippie publication says you don't know dick about this either. Need some more facts to show you how far up your ass your head is stuffed?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/10/16/insani-tea-reigns-koch-brothers-fail-to-control-the-monster-they-created/

Insani-Tea Reigns: Koch Brothers Fail To Control The Monster They Created
WASHINGTON, DC - NOVEMBER 04: Americans for P...

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“With great power comes great responsibility.”

This often quoted adage—first offered up by an old comic book friend of mine—is one that is not to be taken lightly by those who rise to positions of great power and then propose to use that power to change the face of entire nations.

Sadly, it is a bit of wisdom that David and Charles Koch appear to have never taken to heart.

Thanks to the very elected officials who achieved their Congressional offices as a result of the organizational and financial contributions of Charles and David Koch, the brothers’ massive business interests—along with the interests of just about every business in the nation—are poised to take a major hit at the hands of those they placed in positions of power.

Indeed, so concerned are the Kochs with the damage already done and the catastrophe we—and they—may now be facing, they are scurrying to gain some measure of control over their Frankenstein monsters.

Last week, Koch Industries sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) making it clear that, while they continue to object to Obamacare, they do not support the linking of Obamacare to the passage of a continuing resolution that would re-open the government.

Now, NBC is reporting—

“But privately, Koch officials have expressed concern to lawmakers that the prospect of a government default over the Obamacare issue would be a “disaster” for the economy, according to one GOP consultant who recently discussed the matter with Koch officials and asked for anonymity.”

If the circumstances were not so tragic the irony would be delicious.

Despite the Koch Brothers being among the key drivers of The Tea Party (some would say that they have, in fact, co-opted the Tea Party) a Pew Poll out last week reveals that 69 percent of those who identify with the Tea Party believe that the United States can blow by the debt ceiling deadline without major economic problems.

While the fact that nearly 70 percent of Tea Partiers see the failure to raise the debt ceiling as no big deal will be a disturbing revelation to a majority of Americans, what is more significant is the fact that 23 percent of Tea Partiers recognize that it is essential that we raise the debt ceiling to avoid the catastrophe that would likely result.

Why are the Koch Brothers not using their money and influence to choose candidates from that 23 percent who share the Kochs’ ideology but have the brains to understand basic and widely accepted economic reality? Why are they unable to find candidates in the Tea Party who ‘get’ that while the Treasury may have sufficient revenue coming in to pay the interest on our bond debt, we would necessarily be left to default on other obligations we have—taking huge sums of money out of the economy which, inevitably, leads to another deep recession if not worse?

While I would take issue with the suggestion that our nation benefits when two people—no matter what their political preferences—can exercise so much influence because they have lots of money to toss about, our laws permit the Koch Brothers to pursue their right to spend a part of their large fortune in support of their vision of what they believe makes for a better America—or at least a better America for David and Charles Koch.

However, acquiring the power their fortune has granted them must comes with responsibilities—responsibilities the Koch Brothers have grievously failed to take seriously. Now, their efforts to get some control over those who wish to push America’s economy over the edge are too little and much too late.

Insani-Tea Reigns: Koch Brothers Fail To Control The Monster They Created

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Would it have been asking too much of Charles and David Koch to actually vet the quality of their candidates rather than just throwing huge sums of money in the direction of anyone running for office who proudly waves the Tea Party banner? I know some pretty intelligent members of the Tea Party and, while I may disagree mightily with these people on policy, I certainly recognize them as competent to serve in high office.

Why did the Kochs fail to exercise their responsibility to find higher quality people to support rather than settle for candidates that include a physician who claimed to be pro-life but turns out to have forced a mistress to get an abortion; or a candidate who voted to increase farm subsidies while dramatically cutting food stamps who turns out to be pocketing huge sums of that farm subsidy money; or a candidate who claims that the concern for how failing to raise the debt ceiling could be devastating to our economy is nothing but “media hype”?

Could Charles and David not have foreseen that by simply funding anyone willing to voice a shared perspective, they might be sending people to Washington who lacked the basic competence and understanding of important issues to handle the job in a manner that even comes close to being responsible?

Like most things in life, throwing money at a problem is rarely the solution. If you want to get something done, you better be prepared to do it the right way or, as the Kochs are now discovering, it will almost always come back to bite you where the sun don’t shine.

It makes no difference what your politics may be—with great power comes great responsibility. Unfortunately, Charles and David Koch have failed to assume the responsibilities inherent with their desire for power and now —whether we get a debt-ceiling rise or not—their country is far worse off as a result of their carelessness and the quest for ideology over competency.

Contact Rick at [email protected] and follow me on Twitter and Facebook.


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coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:10 pm
Quote:
MSM finally realizes that Islam is really, really scary


It is about time.
Quote:
After years of terrorism that resulted in, among other things, the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centers, Pentagon, and Shanksville, Pennsylvania, murder of Americans in Benghazi, and the brutal hacking death of off-duty soldier, Lee Rigby in London, the main stream media is finally sounding the alarm on the religion President Obama claims America “shares common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.”

Obama is lying, again.
http://www.humanevents.com/2014/06/25/msm-finally-realizes-that-islam-is-really-really-scary/
RexRed
 
  2  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:13 pm
Conservatives Are Sacrificing Scott Walker for a Higher Cause
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118348/scott-walker-campaign-finance-scandal-serving-higher-purpose
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:18 pm
@coldjoint,
So you really do hate American Ideals AND the Constitution! I think you might have a little bit of commie in you!
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:20 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
So you really do hate American Ideals AND the Constitution!


Try again. The shill has gone down this road. Nothing I have said indicates that.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:21 pm
@RexRed,
He's just one more "conservative" domino falling. We've come so close to a fascist take over in this country.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:26 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
fascist take over in this country.


Obama and the progressives are the fascists. They are the ones with a hard on for free speech. They are the ones trying to take over the economy with healthcare and the EPA. Not to mention the immigration situation they planned and encouraged. Or the federal land grabs going on in our West.

Get a ******* clue sycophant.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:35 pm
Quote:
8 Ways the New York Times Misled You about Gov. Scott Walker

Quote:
1) In its June 19 story, the Times spent eight full paragraphs explaining why prosecutors believe Walker and conservatives violated state law. It wasn’t until paragraphs nine and ten that the paper noted that a federal and state judge have both shut the investigation down.

2) Not once do the Times reporters note on June 19 that the John Doe probe originated in the offices of a Democratic district attorney. Only in paragraph thirteen does that fact appear, and it is in a direct quote from Walker.

3) The story explains, “The Internal Revenue Service is formulating new rules that would clarify and restrict how much money tax-exempt organizations can spend trying to elect or defeat candidates”. But those IRS rules haven’t been promulgated, so there is no chance Walker or any Wisconsin conservative violated them.

4) Near the bottom of the story, the Times points out: “In an earlier John Doe investigation into whether campaign work was being done on county time in the office Mr. Walker had led as the Milwaukee County executive, three of Mr. Walker’s former aides and several other associates were convicted of crimes.”

But Walker himself was never charged, and Milwaukee Journal Sentinel editor Marty Kaiser explained recently, “Scott Walker was never known to be a target of the first John Doe investigation that has been closed.” While Kaiser’s claims are perplexing in light of his paper’s reporting during the first John Doe, they do properly reflect the fact that Walker was never accused of wrongdoing in the legal process.

5) “Gov. Scott Walker’s Campaign Violations” blared the June 20 headline of the Times‘ editorial about the matter. No charges have been filed alleging that, no judge or jury has concluded that; that is merely the opinion of the New York Times editorial board. It is not factually supported by anything in the justice system.

6) The editorial declares, “The latest to get caught doing so [violating campaign finance laws] is Gov. Scott Walker, Republican of Wisconsin.” Again, prosecutors have filed no charges, and no conviction has been obtained, so it is unclear how Walker got “caught.”

7) “Finding loopholes like this is now the job of candidates and their lawyers around the country in the post-Citizens United era” the editorial scribes complain of the state of campaign finance regulation. If Walker used a loophole that the Times doesn’t like, then the paper should direct its frustration at lawmakers and regulators who implemented policies with loopholes.

8) “The Walker case shows how important it is for government at all levels — Congress, federal agencies and state officials — to put severe curbs on the ability of outside groups to meddle in politics with unlimited dollars” concludes the editorial board. If the paper wants more regulation, fine, but that does not mean that what Walker or conservative groups did was a violation of the law. The very fact that the law needs to be changed to apply to past actions means those actions were legal when they were done. BOOM[/quote]

http://mediatrackers.org/wisconsin/2014/06/25/8-ways-new-york-times-misled-gov-scott-walker
parados
 
  3  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:38 pm
@Baldimo,
Seeing as the IRS head works at the IRS, I'm pretty sure he has more expertise about what happens at the IRS than you do. Working in the data storage field means nothing since you don't have any idea about the systems or procedures at the IRS.


Quote:
There are laws about such things. Figured I would provide you with this:
That doesn't prove anything other than they were SUPPOSED to have a system. If you work in the field then you would know all about they systems that are assumed to be in place that don't work when they are needed. Just because you know the standard procedure to protect data doesn't mean the IRS implemented it or that what they did implement actually worked when it came time to restore lost data. It is hardly a conspiracy when data is lost.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:41 pm
@parados,
Quote:
It is hardly a conspiracy when data is lost.


No it is a deliberate destruction of evidence. Who cares how many were responsible.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:44 pm
Quote:
Dramatic GDP Drop...The Numbers Prove It Was Obamacare's Fault


Kiss the Senate goodbye.
Quote:

Jason Furman, the chairman of the White House's of the Council of Economic Advisers, said it's the biggest revision in roughly 30 years. In the end it is another example of what happens when the government tries to run a big chunk of the economy.


http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2014/06/dramatic-gdp-drop-numbers-say-it-was.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FNWlS+%28YID+With+LID%29
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:48 pm
@parados,
Not to put too fine a point, but any government agency like the IRS that handles all the different kinds of tax returns is not a simple task - simply based on the 40 thousand pages of rules and regulations. It was shown some decade ago that two expert CPA's doing the same complex tax return came out with different results.

People who assume these issues are simple ones just doesn't understand much of anything.
parados
 
  5  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:49 pm
@coldjoint,
ROFLMAO....
The first item the author tells is a lie about the investigations. The investigations were not shut down. The rulings by the judges are on appeal. Until the appeals run their course nothing is shut down.

Number 2. Also wrong. The only way the John Doe could happen was if several district attorneys all investigated and assigned an independent prosecutor to conduct the investigation.

Number 3 Walker and Club for Growth aren't being investigated for rules not yet in place by the IRS. They are being investigated for violating Wisconsin law which is not affected by the IRS.

Number 4. It seems the author doesn't know what John Doe 1 was about. That was closed with several convictions. Walker was never accused of wrong doing in the first John Doe investigation. The John Doe investigation on appeal is John Doe II, the SECOND John Doe investigation.
parados
 
  4  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:50 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
It is hardly a conspiracy when data is lost.


No it is a deliberate destruction of evidence. Who cares how many were responsible.

How can anyone destroy evidence if there is no investigation at the time? That is idiotic on your part to suggest that has happened.
parados
 
  3  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The internal email system at the IRS has little to do with tax returns. That is another antiquated system altogether.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:52 pm
@parados,
Quote:
How can anyone destroy evidence if there is no investigation at the time?


You are asking the wrong person. Ask the people that destroyed it.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:53 pm
@parados,
Sounds like the NSA going through billions of communication to find "evidence."

All against our Constitution.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:57 pm
@parados,
Quote:
ROFLMAO....


Is Walker still the governor? Is this a just a distraction? It sure is.
Obamas chickens have come home and they are shitting all over him. You can whine about Walker all you want when it is just a ploy to keep people from taking a better look at everything the progressives have lied about.

parados
 
  3  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:57 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
How can anyone destroy evidence if there is no investigation at the time?


You are asking the wrong person. Ask the people that destroyed it.

I am only showing others how stupid you really are. You can't answer the question because you have no concept of time, place or reality.
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parados
 
  4  
Wed 25 Jun, 2014 02:58 pm
@coldjoint,
I am not whining about Walker. I am only pointing out your source has most of their facts wrong as they try to set the record straight.
 

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