Rep. Joel Kleefisch allegedly caught voting for absent member
By Rob Koebel
CREATED FEB. 22, 2012 - UPDATED: FEB. 22, 2012
MADISON- The I-Team confronts a state representative after he's caught breaking a rule and that state representative was caught on tape!
The issue is caught on, what appears to be, cell phone video. Whoever posted it online is trying to prove there's voter fraud in the Wisconsin State Assembly.
Representative Joel Kleefisch can be seen in a video, now on You Tube, voting for an absent member.
Rob Koebel: "Did you break a rule?"
Joel Kleefisch: "It depends on how you interpret the rule."
And here is the rule: only the members present in the Assembly Chamber may vote.
So what is going on with Kleefisch -- who admits he voted for another rep?
"The rule says you have to be present in the chamber. The bathroom counts as the chamber. And the parlor counts as a chamber if you are going to eat," said Joel Kleefisch.
In fact, Representative Jason Fields says it happens all the time with both sides -- Democrats and Republicans.
"Yeah, it's done when you have a conversation with your seat mate to know where they are at," said Rep. Fields.
Both lawmakers claim it's not breaking the rules, because technically the representative is still in the chamber.
The I-Team has confronted the state on this issue before, back in 1996 -- back when Governor Scott Walker was a state representative, wanting the behavior to stop and the rules to change.
"Change the rule to apply to people we are talking about who aren't in the chamber and aren't aware of what is going on," said Scott Walker.
Kleefisch has seen the video and calls it another attempt at character assassination.
"We are targets. My wife is under recall. We are targets. He shoots specific video of me when he could have shot 24 to 50 people at that time," said Kleefisch.
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RexRed
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Thu 23 Feb, 2012 04:21 pm
Here is something I found posted on another blog. I copied it, someone else wrote this reply. It sort of rings a bell.
"This country was founded on Christian principles" types seem to be painfully unaware of is that the Founding Fathers were products of the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason, meaning they understood that the way to govern a state was by utilitarian, secular, scientific reasoning, not mythology and superstition. That is likely why they codified freedom of religion in the very first amendment of the Constitution. They, unlike most of the Bible thumpers out there, understood that once you start basing government on a particular group's particular delusion of divinity, you risk creating a theocracy in which people are imprisoned or killed because they don't pray a certain way, or genuflect properly, or dip themselves in water the right way, or perform whatever other MAN-MADE bit of mumbo jumbo it may be that people believe will give them eternal life... (it went on to say more)
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Thu 23 Feb, 2012 04:25 pm
Someone else posted this:
This issue has NOTHING to do with your religion, your beliefs, your opinions, what you like, whom you like, what our bodies look like, what your holy book has written in it, or how marriage is defined by anyone.
This issue is about:
1. The United States is a country where all citizens are entitled to equal protection, access, and rights under the law.
2. The United States government provides a particular set of benefits, access, and privileges to citizens who are legally married.
3. The United States government prohibits certain citizens from becoming legally married.
4. Prohibiting certain citizens from marrying prevents them from receiving the set of benefits, access, and privileges that are granted or available to all other citizens.
5. This is what we commonly call discrimination.
6. In the history of the United States, citizens who have been discriminated against in this and other ways have petitioned the government for non-discrimination and equal rights, and have won. Reference the suffragist movement and the civil rights movement. Women were denied access to voting, owning property, having credit in their names, etc. African-American citizens were denied well, everything.
7. Asking for the same access, benefits, and privileges that all other citizens enjoy is not asking for ‘special privileges,’ it’s asking for the SAME privileges that other citizens have under the law. Repeat this phrase: same privileges, same privileges, same privileges ...
8. Religious institutions can do what they want, they can define marriage how they want and discriminate against anyone they want.
THE GOVERNMENT ON EVERY LEVEL HAS NO LEGAL BASIS FOR DOING THIS.
9. Law is what this country runs on. Not your religion, not mine, not anyone’s. Not our opinions. Not our likes and dislikes. Not our body parts.
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RexRed
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Sun 25 Mar, 2012 12:22 am
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RexRed
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Sun 25 Mar, 2012 12:17 pm
Genia Lovett column: Post-Crescent journalists shouldn't have signed Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker recall petitions
Comment: This is only convincing people they did the right thing in signing the petition, solidifying their opinions and persuading more people that Walker and his cohorts must go.
Another one bites the dust.
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RexRed
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Sun 25 Mar, 2012 02:58 pm
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"The moral character of America is worth fighting for."
The notions of moral character and gangsterism are basically incompatible. That's why I vote against demoKKKrats.
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