JTT
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 01:41 pm
@coldjoint,
Cj: That article is complete bullshit. Sangers own words would show anyone that. And there are plenty of them.

"It apparently stems from two extremely slender pieces of "evidence": ... "

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/28/1190652/-Margaret-Sanger-Planned-Parenthood-and-Racism

That's how you empty headed dolts always operate, on extremely slender pieces of "evidence".
JTT
 
  0  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 01:47 pm
@wmwcjr,
Same thing has been said of brutal dictators that the USA supported.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 01:48 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
That's how you empty headed dolts always operate, on extremely slender pieces of "evidence".


No, it is damage control by a progressive site for a fact that is disturbing and true. It is documented history all recorded before they controlled the media.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 01:50 pm
Quote:
BREAKING: Louisiana Just Banned Welfare Benefits for Tattoos and “Bling”

http://conservativetribune.com/la-bans-welfare-for-tats-and-bling/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Good for them.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 01:55 pm

Quote:
Margaret Sanger’s following two-step plan (which she proposed to the U.S. Congress) to establish a ''Parliament of Population'' is also well-documented in the pages of Intellectual Morons:


1. To ''control the intake and output of morons (apparently excluding Sanger), mental defectives, epileptics.''
2. To ''take an inventory of the secondary group such as illiterates, paupers, unemployables, criminals, prostitutes, dope-fiends; classify them in special departments under government medical protection, and segregate them on farms…''


Sanger then went on to summarize her plea to Congress by saying that ''fifteen or twenty millions of our population would then be organized into soldiers of defense-defending the unborn against their own disabilities.''


That is a matter of historical record.

http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/

This site will debunk anything ThinkProgress or the DailyKos says.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 01:57 pm
Quote:
“What do you suppose Margaret Sanger was talking about that made her so appealing to the KKK? I believe she was talking about killing 14 million Black babies. I suppose she was telling them of a way to kill four thousand “Ns” in four weeks using eugenics and abortions outdoing the number of “Ns” they lynched in 86 years…Planned KillerHood was targeted by Civil Rights Movement activists in the 1960s and ‘70s for its involvement in a ”Black genocide.” Since 1973, legalized abortion has been specifically aimed at the African American population and has killed more Black people than cancer, diabetes, heart disease and gang violence combined…This is a sad day for Black America. We are killing ourselves using the most racist, legalized tools today: abortions.” ~ Black Journalist Lucky Rosenbloom


Vote Democratic?
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wmwcjr
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 02:02 pm
@JTT,
Sadly, you're right! Sad I recently saw a photo that had been taken of Gen. Pinochet soon after he had violently overthrown the government of Chile (with the assistance of the U.S.). He was having a meeting with Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and several other U.S. government officials or representatives. They were all smiles. Pinochet was prancing around and strutting like a rooster. Sickening!

Oh, I just remembered. The "bastard" comment that was made by my Republican friend concerning Thurmond? None other than President Franklin Delano Roosevelt made the same comment about the then-current dictator his administration was supporting in Nicaragua! Mad
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 02:06 pm
@wmwcjr,
Quote:
Incidentally, when President Richard Nixon was seeking to appoint a "strict constructionist Southerner


That maybe so but the Democratic calculated manipulation of Black and poor through what Johnson called Civil Rights is undeniable.
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wmwcjr
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 02:31 pm
Coldjoint, just remember I'm only a disillusioned nonvoting centrist. You know, one of those guys who are rejected by both progressives and conservatives. I fear that neither (or any) political party or ideology is going to save this country. In this thread I may have sounded partisan at times, but I'm really not. I'm just an oddball. Mr. Green (Why I continue to post here, I don't know. Force of habit, I suppose.)

By the way, I do believe that if Patrick Daniel Moynihan had been President in 1965 instead of LBJ, the country would probably be better off than it is today. But mistakes are frequently made in politics, including grievous ones. (Perhaps I should say "especially grievous ones.") It's just the way of the world. Sad
Advocate
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 03:10 pm
@wmwcjr,
The biggest problem, by far, I have with LBJ is that he joined others in lying us into the really horrible war with Nam. We killed over three million people in that little agrarian country. He should now be rotting in hell for that.
wmwcjr
 
  0  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 04:57 pm
@Advocate,
Hi, Advocate! Smile I was a teenager during most of the Vietnam War. (No, I was never subjected to the draft.) You're right about LBJ lying to get us into war. (The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution comes to mind, of course.) I was not exonerating him on that account. A terrible slaughter, indeed! It also had the eventual result of creating the conditions that enabled the mass murderer Pol Pot to come to power in Cambodia. I don't know enough of the history of the war to say how it should have been conducted differently or if it should have been prosecuted at all -- except to say that Ho Chi Minh was a Communist dictator, a client of the Soviet Union. (Of course, on the other hand, he had previously appealed to the West for support in the struggle of the Vietnamese people against the colonialism of the French, but received none.) All I know is that it was a great tragedy that had a horrible impact upon the lives of millions.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 05:26 pm
http://i.imgur.com/ocsFXnt.jpg
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JTT
 
  0  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 05:28 pm
@wmwcjr,
WM: except to say that Ho Chi Minh was a Communist dictator, a client of the Soviet Union.
------------

Take this to its logical conclusion, Bill, and it turns this conventional wisdom on its head. HCM was an ardent nationalist who aligned himself with whoever would aid the Vietnamese to gain control over THEIR country. They obviously weren't "clients" of the USSR because the USSR didn't keep them as a pawn nation.

HCM would have gotten over 80 percent of the votes and the USA knew it which is why the USA scuttled the plans for a planned election.

The USA was the one with the dictator, a vicious right wing dictator. The USA loves right wing dictators.

(See quote below about Diem)

Compare that to the Korean situation where the USA slaughtered three million of the population of the north and bombed and napalmed it into ashes. Orders from the USA, the saviours of the oppressed, were to kill everything that moved.


//////////////
Though the North Koreans had a reputation for viciousness, according to Cumings, U.S. soldiers actually engaged in more civilian massacres. This included dropping over half a million tons of bombs and thousands of tons of napalm, more than was loosed on the entire Pacific theater in World War II, almost indiscriminately. The review goes on to say, “Cumings deftly reveals how Korea was a clear precursor to Vietnam: a divided country, fighting a long anti-colonial war with a committed and underestimated enemy; enter the U.S., efforts go poorly, disillusionment spreads among soldiers, and lies are told at top levels in an attempt to ignore or obfuscate a relentless stream of bad news. For those who like their truth unvarnished, Cumings’s history will be a fresh, welcome take on events that seemed to have long been settled.”



http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-korean-war-the-unknown-war-the-coverup-of-us-war-crimes/23742
////////////////////


"In October 1955, Diem officially replaced Bao Dai as chief of state in an election in which Diem received 98.4 percent of the vote. Although many political and military leaders within the United States would rather Diem had provided freer elections and a more reasonable result, few were concerned that he wouldn't win the election fairly
JTT
 
  0  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 05:37 pm
@JTT,
Part B

And for the south of Korea, the folks the USA was supposedly saving from oppression.

///////////////////

Interviewed in two one-hour installments by Lawrence Velvel, Dean of the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover, producers of Comcast’s “Books of Our Time” with the first installment being shown on Sunday, March 20th, Cumings said U.S. coverage of the war was badly slanted. Hanson Baldwin, the military correspondent for The New York Times, described “North Koreans as locusts, like Nazis, like vermin, who come shrieking on. I mean, this is really hard stuff to read in an era when you don’t get away with that kind of thinking anymore.” Cumings adds, “Rapes were extremely common. Koreans in the South will still say that that was one of the worst things of the war (was how)many American soldiers were raping Korean women.”

Cumings said he was able to draw upon a lot of South Korean research that has come out since the nation democratized in the 1990s about the massacres of Korean civilians. This has been the subject of painstaking research by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in Seoul and Cumings describes the results as “horrific.” Atrocities by “our side, the South Koreans (ran) six to one ahead of the North Koreans in terms of killing civilians, whereas most Americans would think North Koreans would just as soon kill a civilian to look at him.” The numbers of civilians killed in South Korea by the government, Cumings said, even dwarfed Spaniards murdered by dictator Francisco Franco, the general who overthrew the Madrid government in the 1936-1939 civil war. Cumings said about 100,000 South Koreans were killed in political violence between 1945 and 1950 and perhaps as many as 200,000 more were killed during the early months of the war. This compares to about 200,000 civilians put to death in Spain in Franco’s political massacres. In all, Korea suffered 3 million civilian dead during the 1950-53 war, more killed than the 2.7 million Japan suffered during all of World War II.

One of the worst atrocities was perpetrated by the South Korean police at the small city of Tae Jun. They executed 7,000 political prisoners while Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. military officials looked on, Cumings said. To compound the crime, the Pentagon blamed the atrocity on the Communists, Cumings said. “The Joint Chiefs of Staff classified the photographs of it because they make it clear who’s doing it, and they don’t let the photographs out until 1999 when a Korean finally got them declassified.” To top that off, the historian says, “the Pentagon did a video movie called ‘Crime of Korea’ where you see shots of pits that go on for like a football field, pit after pit of dead people, and (actor) Humphrey Bogart in a voice-over says, ‘someday the Communists will pay for this, someday we’ll get the full totals and believe me we’ll get the exact, accurate totals of the people murdered here and we will make these war criminals pay.’ Now this is a complete reversal of black and white, done as a matter of policy.” Cumings adds that these events represent “a very deep American responsibility for the regime that we promoted, really more than any other in East Asia (and that) was our creation in the late Forties.” Other atrocities, such as the one at No Gun village, Cumings terms “an American massacre of women and children,” which he lays at the feet of the U.S. military.

Initially, reporters from U.S. magazines’ “Look,” “Saturday Evening Post,” “Collier’s,” and “Life,” could report on anything they saw, the historian said. They reported that “the troops are shooting civilians, the South Korean police are awful, they’re opening up pits and putting hundreds of people in them. This is all true.” Within six months, though, U.S. reporters were muzzled by censors, meaning, “you can’t say anything bad about our South Korean ally. Even if you see them blowing an old lady’s head apart, you can’t say that.” Even though his writings on Korea years after the war ended were not censored, New York Times reporter David Halberstam wrote a book on the Korean War (The Coldest Winter”) in which “he doesn’t mention the bombing of the North (and) mentions the three-year U.S. occupation of South Korea in one sentence, without giving it any significance,” Cumings said. Besides rape, the Pentagon was firebombing North Korean cities more intensively than any of those it firebombed during World War II. Where it was typical for U.S. bombing to destroy between 40 and 50 percent of a city in that war, the destruction rate in North Korea was much higher: Shin Eui Ju, on the Chinese border, 95 percent destroyed; Pyongyang, 85 percent; and Hamhung, an industrial city, 80 percent.”By the end of 1951, there weren’t many bombing targets left in North Korea.”

READ ON AT,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-korean-war-the-unknown-war-the-coverup-of-us-war-crimes/23742
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 05:49 pm

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/DonaldDouglas/American/A0_giWmCIAAFzqp_zps4e7e2585.jpg

The Democratic party is not what it used to be in the days of Kennedy.
JTT
 
  0  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 06:03 pm
@coldjoint,
WOW, just WOW!

The meme masters strike again. It's testament to how easy it is to lead the dumber component of the sheeple!
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 09:28 pm
http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Tread_Obamacare_Hammer_Sickle.png
JTT
 
  0  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 09:42 pm
@coldjoint,
And along comes some of the dumber portion of the sheeple.
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Advocate
 
  1  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 10:24 pm
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:

Hi, Advocate! Smile I was a teenager during most of the Vietnam War. (No, I was never subjected to the draft.) You're right about LBJ lying to get us into war. (The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution comes to mind, of course.) I was not exonerating him on that account. A terrible slaughter, indeed! It also had the eventual result of creating the conditions that enabled the mass murderer Pol Pot to come to power in Cambodia. I don't know enough of the history of the war to say how it should have been conducted differently or if it should have been prosecuted at all -- except to say that Ho Chi Minh was a Communist dictator, a client of the Soviet Union. (Of course, on the other hand, he had previously appealed to the West for support in the struggle of the Vietnamese people against the colonialism of the French, but received none.) All I know is that it was a great tragedy that had a horrible impact upon the lives of millions.


Ho Chi Minh had overwhelming support of the people in Nam. We absolutely had no cause to move into the country massively as we did, and engage in a slaughter of the people. Indicative of our stupidity, we are now friends with Nam and another big commie country, China.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 22 Mar, 2014 10:29 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
, we are now friends with Nam and another big commie country, China.

http://www.acidpulse.net/images/smilies/rofl1.gif
 

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